Think many doctors may be ignoring the government 12 week 2nd dose advice, my Ma-in-law got the second jab 3 weeks after 1st, and my dad had his 1st on Friday, with appointment booked in for 3 weeks time.
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Think many doctors may be ignoring the government 12 week 2nd dose advice, my Ma-in-law got the second jab 3 weeks after 1st, and my dad had his 1st on Friday, with appointment booked in for 3 weeks time.
davek
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Ignoring it for those initially promised the 2nd shot 3 weeks after the 1st.
Van Tam agrees that outdoor transmission is minimal with social distancing and has done from day 1. Now firmly established that it is an indoor transmission and that by close contact rather than surfaces
Not sure. My dad got call on Thursday. Had it on Friday, and is booked in for 3 weeks. So that was weeks after gov said would be 12 weeks apart. Think doctors may be using their own judgement, depending on volumes and supply.
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The only reported cases of outdoor transmission are people who have sat together talking in close proximity for long periods of time. Outdoor transmission isn't the problem and shouldn't be the focus.
I think Van Tam‘s position is that it is a coronavirus, albeit a deadly one and so will act like and transmit like any other. In my opinion the man has been the most competent narrator on this from the beginning
davek
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Maybe individual doctors will make that assessment and act on their views.
Yep, Pfizer recommends 21-28 day. Radio silence on the longer spacing out, I suppose why would they comment, they are just selling, it’s up to individual governments and CMO’s to apply the vaccine and roll out.
No, I suspect it’s a range of severity, but for me could be a few subjective factors at play. It takes approx 10 days post the first dose, to achieve Pfizer’s reported first dose of efficacy of 51% so there is a subjective variable there. The belief is though that the greater the efficacy the higher the anti body response, the less severe experience of the virus. The other thing is, in most countries they are not testing to see if someone has the virus or not before the vaccination, so arguably it could already be seeded, the incubation period for the virus and vaccine efficacy are similar. For example I got the vaccine Weds last week, I went for a routine COVID test before (we’re tested weekly in work anyway) I got the negative result of the test by text on Saturday, but made me think what if I was positive and unknowingly went and got the vaccine anyway, that’s sure to happen. There are a few holes in that report.
The take home for me, is that initial results are showing that the efficacy may be lower then the 51% after the first dose that Pfizer have reported, however the second dose is the accelerator dose that seems to reach the maximum consistent efficacy despite variable first dose efficacy probably needs more digging into though.
Overall though I’d be cautious of reports in mainstream as opposed to studies, you can see how easy it is to pick holes.
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The 'half-arsed' lockdown is already having an impact, as case rates are falling.
Everything is a 10 to 14 day lag.
This was going to get worse before it got better.
The Xmas relaxation of rules wasn't even a thing, ffs. It was one day where you could go to one house, in the end. If people still chose to have parties etc and get oldies round during those parties then that's on them.
This isn't excusing the government. They compounded the issue with placing the most populous area of the country into Tier 2 in December, yet nobody in London gave a flying f*** then. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it. Should have been called out at the time and wasn't. Not by a single opposing MP, not by any member of the media.
Everything is a 10 to 14 day lag.
This was going to get worse before it got better.
The Xmas relaxation of rules wasn't even a thing, ffs. It was one day where you could go to one house, in the end. If people still chose to have parties etc and get oldies round during those parties then that's on them.
This isn't excusing the government. They compounded the issue with placing the most populous area of the country into Tier 2 in December, yet nobody in London gave a flying f*** then. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it. Should have been called out at the time and wasn't. Not by a single opposing MP, not by any member of the media.
Furlough is in place until March 31st? Not sure that stands up there mate.
I agree with your criticism of Johnson, and the government by and large. These death figures are horrid but a simple look at simple graphs this morning told me - by no means an expert quite clearly - that we were going to be in for a big one.
The peak infections was Jan 8th. We're 11 days on. We can just hope that the decrease in cases we're now seeing (as a result of whatever state of lockdown we're currently in) will continue (it has done so far for the last 5-6 days now on average) and then in 10-14 days time, we'll see deaths follow.
It's sad, horrendous and plenty of them could have been avoided with more decisive action, but ultimately all there is to do atm is vaccinate.
People need to start differentiating between the jabs.
Pfizer did no testing beyond 3 weeks. I feel that's a bit weird, btw, but they didn't. So the evidence isn't there to stretch that spacing out. IMO, the government shouldn't be touching that. If you get your vaccine and it's Pfizer, you should get the booster within 3 weeks.
The Oxford vaccine is now in circulation and they DID test that with longer spacing and the evidence suggests a gap of 6-12 weeks is HIGHER efficiency than a gap of 3 weeks.
Pfizer did no testing beyond 3 weeks. I feel that's a bit weird, btw, but they didn't. So the evidence isn't there to stretch that spacing out. IMO, the government shouldn't be touching that. If you get your vaccine and it's Pfizer, you should get the booster within 3 weeks.
The Oxford vaccine is now in circulation and they DID test that with longer spacing and the evidence suggests a gap of 6-12 weeks is HIGHER efficiency than a gap of 3 weeks.
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Think it'll be longer than that mate.
davek
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Spot on mate. Thanks for the analysis.
I think that point you make about people unwittingly being positive for covid19 at the time of vaccination is a key one to explain the phenomenon here. And as you say, mainstream reports (either way) should be treated with caution.
davek
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That doesn't begin to encompass their folly. They needed (and were being told by their own scientists) to go for a lockdown at the end of autumn. They didn't, and the country accelerated into a winter crisis because of it...and that's why we see hospitals breaking with the pressure of it all.
It was a choice made to keep the economy open - just as it was back end of February and March last year - and it was tantamount to state murder.
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