Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

Jan 2006 Publicationhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1oPMCgBvMuDj0Yi5fDyxxb&cshid=1610710126813

The 1918 virus mutated 3 times, 2nd was the worst, it also merged with a bird or swine variants over the 20th century
1918 H1N1 - H1N1.2 - H1N1.3
1957 H2N2
1968 H3N2
Also from the same 2006 publication...
...Yes, we can prepare, but with the realization that no amount of hand washing, hand wringing, public education, or gauze masks will do the trick. The keystone of influenza prevention is vaccination.

Also...gist; there are 16 variants...HN viruses...with added Antigens - and the only way to protect is have vaccines of all known varients pre made and on hand

Over to you Big Pharma and Big Govts

Just sayin like

That's the next battle how quickly current vaccines can be changed to vaccinate against the new variants that emerge, as its showing no signs of abating in spread. Its looking to be the case that COVID vaccination will need to be tweaked yearly just like influenza. Can all current vaccines be tweaked quickly and scaled up for world wide program in weeks months or years...

 

[davek]

To be honest many people I face in my work role have not swallowed this mantra, sure they are aware of dangers and what they should do stay at home etc. But a super spreading COVID, no more than the others previous variants.
It was always outrageous that some here wanted in the early days a non political thread on this virus, what with a Tory Government, who were they trying to kid...

Not swallowed the view that we should have locked down earlier or that the variant(s) are part and parcel of virus?

 

[degsy]

There's so much more than vaccines that can end the colossal scale of fatalities - human behaviour. And that comes from directives and a change of culture...something western governments, and the major Anglo-Saxon societies in particular, cant or wont get to grips with. Just look at the nations in south east Asia. They have managed this crisis differntly and more successfully.

We need to adapt to the situation.

Human Nature Vs Directives, yep, bound to end well that.
davek
dalek
"You will Obey"
One very bad despotic lid you

 

[BlueToff]

More people have been vaccinated than tested positive in the uk.

Nuts

Well, suppose it's better that it happened quickly!

 

[Haydn]

All versions can transfer by air mate, there is evidence of that very early on. There was a study of a coffee shop somewhere in Asia months ago with a similar situation.

The case study in Asia was of people in the same room, with the draught from a wall mounted air conditioning unit thought to have blown the virus more widely around the room than would have been the case directly between individuals.

The recent Oz case relating to a quarantine hotel suggested that individuals in separate, non-adjacent rooms had become infected whilst not having any direct contact with anyone else.

The hotel cleaner was subsequently found to be positive and as with previous cases, where the security guards meant to be enforcing the guests' isolation were found to have been "sleeping" with them, there will probably be a direct transmission link found.

Unfortunately the media lose interest once the sensational impact of a seemingly far more sinister cause diminishes.

 

[davek]

Human Nature Vs Directives, yep, bound to end well that will
davek
dalek
"You will Obey"
One very bad despotic lid you

Japan, S.Korea, Singapore????

Britain in the post war era with that 1945 Labour Government would have gotten that argument in a second.

British society has changed in the last 40 years, for the worse.

 

[BlueToff]

Disgraceful, I seen on GMB this morning that they are sending people back to carehomes from hospitals.

What can go wrong? I'm no virologist but sending COVID patients to nursing homes doesn't seem like the best decision. Couldn't they use hotels or something? I know staffing is an issue but literally anywhere else is a better option.

I mean, this.

And we can't just magic up carers.

It's a s***show but the virus is so rife there's no easy solution is there.

 

[BlueToff]

Think it's happened lads.

He's finally cracked.

BRING BACK RATIONING

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Not swallowed the view that we should have locked down earlier or that the variant(s) are part and parcel of virus?

Super spreading COVID virus, its as dangerous and spreadable as its always been.

Although fair few people that shielded last time very well, have basically stuck their middle finger up to that advice, i do see a greater number of people about who i know shielded last time..

 

[degsy]

Disgraceful, I seen on GMB this morning that they are sending people back to carehomes from hospitals.

What can go wrong? I'm no virologist but sending COVID patients to nursing homes doesn't seem like the best decision. Couldn't they use hotels or something? I know staffing is an issue but literally anywhere else is a better option.

The Australian Govt. In the face of continued breakdowns in Quarentine Hotel security are saying new cases and maybe current cases will be placed in Quarentine in Isolated Mining Camps deep in the outback...lets see you nip out to Maccas from there.

 

[arminisgod]

i'm pretty sure the new variant is more transmissable, but equally it will be less serious... like any evolution of a virus.

But that's not quite as good a news strory as a sexy new Brazlian mutation.

 

[degsy]

Japan, S.Korea, Singapore????

Britain in the post war era with that 1945 Labour Government would have gotten that argument in a second.

British society has changed in the last 40 years, for the worse.

East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet.
Most Western cultures...rightly or wrongly...wouldnt put up for 1945 restrictions now...and the Govt. knows it...mind you, people do seem on the whole a bit thicker nowadays, which doesn't help things.
But then again Govts seem thicker too.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Nice one Boris lets have another one...

Regulator refuses to approve mass daily Covid testing at English schools | World news | The Guardian

 

[grandjoeblue]

The case study in Asia was of people in the same room, with the draught from a wall mounted air conditioning unit thought to have blown the virus more widely around the room than would have been the case directly between individuals.

The recent Oz case relating to a quarantine hotel suggested that individuals in separate, non-adjacent rooms had become infected whilst not having any direct contact with anyone else.

The hotel cleaner was subsequently found to be positive and as with previous cases, where the security guards meant to be enforcing the guests' isolation were found to have been "sleeping" with them, there will probably be a direct transmission link found.

Unfortunately the media lose interest once the sensational impact of a seemingly far more sinister cause diminishes.

Its definitely airborne though, every variant is in the air.

This study provides info: https://hospitalhealthcare.com/covi...levels-of-covid-19-but-little-viable-viruses/

I wouldn't say that there is overwhelming evidence that the new variant is different in the air.

 

[BlueToff]

Nice one Boris lets have another one...

Regulator refuses to approve mass daily Covid testing at English schools | World news | The Guardian

regardless of the schools issue for just a second.

the concerns over the tests being 'false negatives' - well equally so they can be false positives.

If the tests can't pick it up 100%, then honestly what's the point in ever getting back to normal?

The vaccine doesn't work 100%? What's the point?

This will be the continued argument and continued hysteria.

There is no sure fire solution. So decisions like this really don't help anybody either.

Back to schools...

Whatever you think of the government, schools are going to have to go back at some stage again. That is going to have to happen. And a good solution to try and keep them as safe as possible while we're still getting the vaccine out is surely going to be testing?

So what if the tests aren't 100% accurate? They're better than no tests at all and it's better than just crapping ourselves collectively any time something isn't 100%.

This idea that the world is going to have to be totally, 100% safe is just mental.