Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

Baffles me with these dreadful numbers is how we haven't seen the vids/pics like we did of Italy/Spain etc, with people lying (dying) on hospital floors.

No conspiracies about a media blackout. If it was happening on scale, we'd have seen it.

Is that just because by the time people are getting into the ICU wards/onto ventilators it's already too late?

IIRC there was a report a while ago that said all media communications have to come from the central NHS, not individual trusts

 

[BlueToff]

Same goes for all them ones from Wuhan early on, people dying in the streets etc what was that all about?

only 4,000 dead mate according to China.

Nothing to see here.

 

[BlueToff]

IIRC there was a report a while ago that said all media communications have to come from the central NHS, not individual trusts

I mean there has been reports and stuff on the news though, and we haven't seen that on the scale we did in Bergamo and Madrid.

But I don't know if that's because we've got the beds/equipment, or if people are just dying so quickly when they're in the wards...

 

[Toast]

Pretty sure I heard the government aren't letting cameras in to hospital ICU's atm, which is the only reason we haven't seen it. They thought it would be too upsetting for people.

Some people have criticized them as not seeing footage encourages people to not take it as seriously. I tend to agree.

BBC 1 News at 10 just had a report from an ICU.

 

[whiteshadow]

BBC 1 News at 10 just had a report from an ICU.

Did they have footage of people on ventilators?

Maybe they changed stance due to the risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Baffles me with these dreadful numbers is how we haven't seen the vids/pics like we did of Italy/Spain etc, with people lying (dying) on hospital floors.

No conspiracies about a media blackout. If it was happening on scale, we'd have seen it.

Is that just because by the time people are getting into the ICU wards/onto ventilators it's already too late?

I think that overall we have a much better health care infrastructure and better overall infrastructure where we don't have large population clusters in remote or inaccessible areas.

I don't think cameras on ICU wards would capture people on trolleys in corridors or lying on the floor. If the beds aren't available then people aren't moved onto those wards to lie around in the corridor waiting for a bed. Highly infectious patients are going to be kept in ambulances or put in non-ICU cubicles and anywhere else where isolation is possible until ICU space is available.

And unfortunately a lot don't make it to ICU. Still a lot dying in nursing homes and the like and whenever resources are scarce triage comes into play to determine whether someone receives potentially life saving care or instead is given end-of-life care.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I suppose it's a bit of both.

While it takes time to check off, surely the logistics can be in place that mean we're ready to move as soon as the vaccines are ready? And move on a massive scale.

But, much like an Everton transfer window, it appears that is not the case. Know what we need for months, but aren't ready to go when what we've been waiting for comes around.

The "final mile" capability is currently huge and there are a lot of clinics saying that they can vaccinate a lot more patients than they are currently doing if they had more of the vaccine. It seems a lot of the actual physical transporting and administering logistics are in place.

But I think the aspects of producing and checking the vaccine require skilled scientific workers and you can't just get workers like that in a matter of a few months. It was a skill shortage before the pandemic and more so when nearly every other country is scrabbling around for the same resource.

 

[hktoffee]

TBF, anything out of Hong Kong reporting on China is immediately discounted.

Some people are brainwashed. Just look at the source and one who understand will perceive that there is some kind of motive behind.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The wife has had a temperature of 39 today. I'll tell her you think she's imagining it Joe.

I should add, this isn't to suggest she regrets the vaccine or thinks it's bad. She even went into work because she's one of few in her team who actually wants it so didn't want to stoke fears about it being harmful.

But, just like the virus itself, the side effects seem likely to be different for different people.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I think that overall we have a much better health care infrastructure and better overall infrastructure where we don't have large population clusters in remote or inaccessible areas.

I don't think cameras on ICU wards would capture people on trolleys in corridors or lying on the floor. If the beds aren't available then people aren't moved onto those wards to lie around in the corridor waiting for a bed. Highly infectious patients are going to be kept in ambulances or put in non-ICU cubicles and anywhere else where isolation is possible until ICU space is available.

And unfortunately a lot don't make it to ICU. Still a lot dying in nursing homes and the like and whenever resources are scarce triage comes into play to determine whether someone receives potentially life saving care or instead is given end-of-life care.

We would have people lying dying in corridors without the lockdown, it's the entire point of them. All transferable infection and accidents reduce significantly in these periods. It's in part the entire point.

 

[bullybeef]

Ever been to Thailand? You'll like it there.

Please tell me more...

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Imagine had the entire world just gone into a full 3 week lockdown apart from emergency services - no leaving of the home whatsoever.

Would be extinct by now which shows how stupid humans are / unwilling to collaborate for the sake of the greater good.

 

[Moomin]

Baffles me with these dreadful numbers is how we haven't seen the vids/pics like we did of Italy/Spain etc, with people lying (dying) on hospital floors.

No conspiracies about a media blackout. If it was happening on scale, we'd have seen it.

Is that just because by the time people are getting into the ICU wards/onto ventilators it's already too late?

The people in the NHS have been calling for pictures to be shown to show the strain. Read this thread on twitter from a doctor.

 

[Moomin]

Inside the Covid ward

All of our patients who die, do so alone. There is nobody to hold their hand. Nobody to comfort them

unherd.com

Good read for any doubters or people who think its all a joke @CharliePotato

 

[CharliePotato]

Inside the Covid ward

All of our patients who die, do so alone. There is nobody to hold their hand. Nobody to comfort them

unherd.com

Good read for any doubters or people who think its all a joke @CharliePotato

Yeah nice one.