Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Moomin]

Yeah nice one.

I'm not lying though.

You think its all a joke dont you?

 

[TheSecondComing]

Why have China blocked WHO officials access in China?

 

[BlueToff]

I think that overall we have a much better health care infrastructure and better overall infrastructure where we don't have large population clusters in remote or inaccessible areas.

I don't think cameras on ICU wards would capture people on trolleys in corridors or lying on the floor. If the beds aren't available then people aren't moved onto those wards to lie around in the corridor waiting for a bed. Highly infectious patients are going to be kept in ambulances or put in non-ICU cubicles and anywhere else where isolation is possible until ICU space is available.

And unfortunately a lot don't make it to ICU. Still a lot dying in nursing homes and the like and whenever resources are scarce triage comes into play to determine whether someone receives potentially life saving care or instead is given end-of-life care.

Yeah my thought was I didn’t know if it was because we’ve managed to ensure we don’t have people having to be put onto the floor etc. Or, is it also that we’re simply not getting people the treatment they need quickly enough?

I’m glad we’re not seeing those images but the numbers are so grim you’d almost expect it?

 

[BlueToff]

The people in the NHS have been calling for pictures to be shown to show the strain. Read this thread on twitter from a doctor.

I did actually read that thread last week too Mooms. And then a few days later I saw the news reports.

I’m sure the images are grim. I know what someone on a ventilator looks like from when my dad had to be on and I live with someone working on the icu wards in Sheffield too.

I doubt we have people lining up in the corridors like we saw earlier in the pandemic is all. But as I said I didn’t know whether that was down to the hospitals having capacity or people simply dying before they ever make it there

 

[Brennan]

I did actually read that thread last week too Mooms. And then a few days later I saw the news reports.

I’m sure the images are grim. I know what someone on a ventilator looks like from when my dad had to be on and I live with someone working on the icu wards in Sheffield too.

I doubt we have people lining up in the corridors like we saw earlier in the pandemic is all. But as I said I didn’t know whether that was down to the hospitals having capacity or people simply dying before they ever make it there

Struggling to understand what your point is. People not lying on the floor means it’s not worse than the first outbreak ?

 

[BlueToff]

Struggling to understand what your point is. People not lying on the floor means it’s not worse than the first outbreak ?

no

I meant throughout all of this (from March) even though our numbers are worse than anywhere else, the hospitals didn’t seem to be overwhelmed to the extent of people lying on the floors

I wondered if that was down to the hospitals having more capacity, or, is it down to people unfortunately not being treated quickly enough so they’re dying before they even get into the places to begin with? I.e. the amount of people dying in care homes, for example.

 

[Moomin]

no

I meant throughout all of this (from March) even though our numbers are worse than anywhere else, the hospitals didn’t seem to be overwhelmed to the extent of people lying on the floors

I wondered if that was down to the hospitals having more capacity, or, is it down to people unfortunately not being treated quickly enough so they’re dying before they even get into the places to begin with? I.e. the amount of people dying in care homes, for example.

We have seen reports that people have been treated in ambulances outside the hospital while waiting for beds.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Why have China blocked WHO officials access in China?

Makes you wonder mate.

 

[BlueToff]

We have seen reports that people have been treated in ambulances outside the hospital while waiting for beds.

Fair enough, I hadn’t seen those. Not good. To be expected, but not good.

 

[BlueToff]

Why have China blocked WHO officials access in China?

No real surprise. They’ve ‘disappeared’ or jailed journalists and doctors that attempted to report on the pandemic early last year

Only 4,000 deaths though

 

[Moomin]

No real surprise. They’ve ‘disappeared’ or jailed journalists and doctors that attempted to report on the pandemic early last year

Only 4,000 deaths though

The true figure must be staggering.

Russia are saying 40 thousand officially but reports last week from Russia is that the true figure is close to 250k.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Do China release annual death figures? Surely you could use that to notice huge rises? They probably don't release those figures either.

 

[BlueDraka]

We have seen reports that people have been treated in ambulances outside the hospital while waiting for beds.

Not underestimating these reports because I haven't seen them but for the last few years there have been newspaper reports around the Merseyside area that ambulances haven't been available for emergency calls due to them queuing at Hospitals in the region. And also every winter hospitals report that they are under strain due to massive increases in cases. . Covid has undoubtedly made these pressures worse but hopefully this lockdown, which should have come sooner, and the vaccine rollout will gradually start to ease the pressure the NHS are under.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Not underestimating these reports because I haven't seen them but for the last few years there have been newspaper reports around the Merseyside area that ambulances haven't been available for emergency calls due to them queuing at Hospitals in the region. And also every winter hospitals report that they are under strain due to massive increases in cases. . Covid has undoubtedly made these pressures worse but hopefully this lockdown, which should have come sooner, and the vaccine rollout will gradually start to ease the pressure the NHS are under.

The NHS still badly needs huge investment. This whole COVID situation has just made it even more obvious.

I believe we have had the biggest reduction of hospital beds in the world over the past 20 years which is a horrendous statistic.

 

[Simon Buttle]

We have seen reports that people have been treated in ambulances outside the hospital while waiting for beds.

It's getting like that here in Sussex, where i live they have now declared a major incident as within a week everything has just doubled and then some, Chichester hospital (the nearest one) is fairly small and will get full very quickly, the nearest then is would be Portsmouth or Brighton. They have had to close a Tesco and Sainsburys down here that are across the road from each other as both shops are devoid of staff due to covid sickness.