Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

Wouldn't mind but it's actually an American vaccine via a German company - it's a USA/EU success story. We just approved it first. Doesn't bloody matter as long as it's ultimately safe. For Fauci to undermine public confidence in the safety procedure is horrifyingly irresponsible.



That will be the prevalent response now - "oh he's been made to apologise."

I'm going to guess most in here will be baffled as to why I keep going on about Fauci's comments, but they are atrocious. If Trump had said it, it'd be par for the course, but for someone with his position of influence and credibility to come out with a completely unfounded, petty little remark like that... he'll be responsible for the deaths of thousands with his comments.

It was irresponsible to say the least. However our politicians were at fault to begin with and Williamson just made things a lot worse. The only person to have shown any competence in this matter was Dr June Raine....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Wouldn't mind but it's actually an American vaccine via a German company - it's a USA/EU success story. We just approved it first. Doesn't bloody matter as long as it's ultimately safe. For Fauci to undermine public confidence in the safety procedure is horrifyingly irresponsible.



That will be the prevalent response now - "oh he's been made to apologise."

I'm going to guess most in here will be baffled as to why I keep going on about Fauci's comments, but they are atrocious. If Trump had said it, it'd be par for the course, but for someone with his position of influence and credibility to come out with a completely unfounded, petty little remark like that... he'll be responsible for the deaths of thousands with his comments.

Have you seen any commentary fit for lay consumption as to how the UK regulator was able to do things faster? Genuinely curious.

 

[Charro]

thats a bit of a stretch..

Plus it pisses down all the time. That's what let's it down

Bit of a stretch is an understatement considering it took me three hours to walk it the other day.

 

[peteblue]

Have you seen any commentary fit for lay consumption as to how the UK regulator was able to do things faster? Genuinely curious.

MHRA has 1 chairman and 10 members on its board. The EMA has one representative of each of the EU Member States; two representatives of the European Commission; two representatives of the European Parliament; two representatives of patients' organisations; one representative of doctors' organisations; one representative of veterinarians' organisations plus one observer each from Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway.

 

[Tubey]

Have you seen any commentary fit for lay consumption as to how the UK regulator was able to do things faster? Genuinely curious.

We went on the Pfizer/BioNTech reports of results, rather than the raw data. The FDA basically repeat what Pfizer do to come to their conclusions on efficacy and safety etc., whereas we take their reports on face value.

But that doesn't mean we're less safe, unless you take seriously the 0.0000001% chance that Pfizer faked their entire research. Basically, there's next to no chance the FDA will come out and say the vaccine is unsafe if we've approved it, as they have the exact same data but handle it in a different way.

 

[Billy Dean]

But we aren't learning from it by having celebratory statues and buildings, quite the opposite. Learning from it would be having it as part of the curriculum as to how badly we behaved towards others even in the 20th century. Our great country was responsible for millions of deaths and untold suffering.

A little bit of humility about our past would do us as a nation no harm at all IMO

 

[davek]

It's fair to say that most sensible people will be watching closely what the American and European's say about the vaccine. The thought of taking the word of the UKs MHRA, which is doped up with big pharma cash, is ridiculous.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We went on the Pfizer/BioNTech reports of results, rather than the raw data. The FDA basically repeat what Pfizer do to come to their conclusions on efficacy and safety etc., whereas we take their reports on face value.

But that doesn't mean we're less safe, unless you take seriously the 0.0000001% chance that Pfizer faked their entire research. Basically, there's next to no chance the FDA will come out and say the vaccine is unsafe if we've approved it, as they have the exact same data but handle it in a different way.

Would you mind sharing your source for this? Curious to learn more. From what I've read, the main point of difference seems to be that the UK has granted a temporary license that will need to be reapproved for each new batch of the vaccine but which required fewer checks before approval, while the EU/FDA want to grant the vaccine full approval, which requires more rigorous checks.

 

[Tubey]

Would you mind sharing your source for this? Curious to learn more. From what I've read, the main point of difference seems to be that the UK has granted a temporary license that will need to be reapproved for each new batch of the vaccine but which required fewer checks before approval, while the EU/FDA want to grant the vaccine full approval, which requires more rigorous checks.

I'll dig out my internet history later; it was one of the top people in the MHRA process explaining it.

I just found this quickly for now, but from a Mail article, so I won't link so as to avoid the Brexit bias element of it.

Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said: 'Dr Fauci has been and still is an extremely good scientist and his advice has been of very high quality throughout this pandemic.

'However, I think it is possible that he has over-stated concerns about the UK assessment process for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

'The processes carried out by the FDA and the MHRA are basically very similar. The only major difference is that the FDA may reproduce all the tables submitted by a company by re-analysing the data.

'This has been a notable difference between the FDA and other regulatory authorities around the world. Virtually no other regulator will regularly reanalyse from raw data to verify the analysis carried out by a company.

'We do not know how often there are substantive differences between an FDA analysis and a company analysis. We may well see differences in interpretation of the data between a regulator and a company, but this type of difference is regularly seen by all regulators, whether they reanalyse the data or not.'

 

[Barnfred 55]

it really isn’t, though - either for Covid or this farce

Hope you don't mind me moving this to the covid thread to keep on topic.

I'm not going over all that again mate. My head still hurts from 2 days ago. But whilst on the subject you could respond to the question below which was left unanswered at the end of our last conversation.

As a matter of interest though, what are the differences between Wales post circuit break restrictions and England's tier 1, cos I'm buggered if I can see any

 

[tsubaki]

Hope you don't mind me moving this to the covid thread to keep on topic.

I'm not going over all that again mate. My head still hurts from 2 days ago. But whilst on the subject you could respond to the question below which was left unanswered at the end of our last conversation.

I do mind, and no answer was given then because I thought you didn’t want to continue that?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I do mind, and no answer was given then because I thought you didn’t want to continue that?

Ha. Like I could give a flying one anyway. But unlike you I do try and keep threads on topic when I can.

I wouldn't have asked if I didn't expect an answer. I wasn't looking to continue the argument, just asking for evidence to support a previous statement you made. i.e that the Welsh restrictions were not effectively the same or very similar to England's current tier 1 restrictions. It's upto you whether you respond or not, but if you don't I'll take it as an acceptance that you couldn't find any differences

 

[bullybeef]

Looks like Drakeford will be putting his Welsh comrades back into lockdown just in time for Xmas at this rate.

Well done Mark, yer big pleb!

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

A little bit of humility about our past would do us as a nation no harm at all IMO

Absolutely. We should be honouring the people we displaced and murdered not the ones who profited from them.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Looks like Drakeford will be putting his Welsh comrades back into lockdown just in time for Xmas at this rate.

Well done Mark, yer big pleb!

He wont because he has signed up to Westminster Government Christmas Plan.

Schools and various education establishments is the cause, everything else must bow down suffer. With Black Friday coming up, lost count of the number of people (many are parents living at home with parents, brothers sisters at school etc) trying to organise or mention Christmas party, people left to their own devices will party altogether and do whatever drunk people do... However, Its a basic human need to socialise.