Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tsubaki]

Slightly, but I think population densities for each country may just have had some bearing...anyway this is the wrong thread....

yes, but they also have open borders with England too

 

[Barnfred 55]

Strange way to describe the Leaders of Wales and Scotland......

Keep up with the narrative Pete. It's not their fault

 

[tsubaki]

Keep up with the narrative Pete. It's not their fault

it really isn’t, though - either for Covid or this farce

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I really can't be arsed with the brexit debate again, but i'm afraid your way of thinking Bruce wasn't shared by 52% of the country.

People have no issue with people coming to work in this country as long as they are skilled and benefit the country.

A labourer packing biscuits into a box isn't classed as that and as such people don't want unlimited movement of people. Note the word 'unlimited' which remainers seem to ignore

You asked the question, so I answered *shrug

Any migration policy will have consequences. I'm a firm advocate of open borders, but am fully aware that not everyone that arrives will do so successfully. They may struggle for work, commit crimes, lose the roof over their head or any other eventuality that I suspect they themselves would not have wished for when they embarked on their journey.

The flip side is that too restrictive a policy limits the number of people that can come, so vacancies may go unfilled, research left unperformed, classrooms left unfilled or startups left unformed. There is plenty of data out there analysing which of these negative outcomes is more significant and more likely for any country, and while you laud the 52% of leave voters, I would argue that I doubt a fraction of us are sufficiently informed on that evidence to make a rational decision. We aren't, but you would hope that elected officials are, as that's their job.

Unfortunately, we've created a situation where the uninformed are telling the informed what to do, and as a result we've got this absurd and unedifying spectacle of the informed pretending the earth is flat when they know full well what they're doing is ridiculous.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is a good example. She's sat there crowing about how wonderful it is to have 90 days access for services (bankers presumably) professionals, when we have walked away from an arrangement that gave all of us 365 days access.

 

[dead_soft]

I certainly hope you are not suggesting that Corbyn and Abbott would have been the correct solution for dealing with the pandemic. For all the chaos you imagine, Labour have not laid a glove on the current government either with Covid or Brexit.....

Mad how you think that just because the Tories have some posh accents and went to expensive schools that they are somehow competent.

 

[peteblue]

Mad how you think that just because the Tories have some posh accents and went to expensive schools that they are somehow competent.

Does having a northern accent and going to a state school make people more competent ? Perhaps we should just appoint competent people of whatever accent ....

 

[dead_soft]

Does having a northern accent and going to a state school make people more competent ? Perhaps we should just appoint competent people of whatever accent ....

You can contribute to that effort by not just falling for the first posh man who smiles your way

 

[peteblue]

You can contribute to that effort by not just falling for the first posh man who smiles your way

Good to see the class war still continues in your head.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Good to see the class war still continues in your head.....

We are not in it together...

Quarantine rules to be relaxed for business travellers - BBC News

 

[peteblue]

We are not in it together...

Quarantine rules to be relaxed for business travellers - BBC News

I have already stated that there should be no difference between business travellers or anybody else, but are you insinuating that business travellers all have posh voices and went to expensive schools, because I can assure you they did not...

 

[random]

52% of the people who voted, not of the total adult population, there's a difference.

There is , but.....

1. the adult population had the opportunity to vote, if they didn't then maybe they should have voted if they wanted the result to match their beliefs
2. and if those that did not vote took up the option to vote, there is no guarantee that the result would have been different (but over a million referendums remain would have the majority of wins)

there is a study on it here if you want further reading

https://theconversation.com/what-wo...everyone-had-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-63153

 

[summerisle]

There is , but.....

1. the adult population had the opportunity to vote, if they didn't then maybe they should have voted if they wanted the result to match their beliefs
2. and if those that did not vote took up the option to vote, there is no guarantee that the result would have been different (but over a million referendums remain would have the majority of wins)

there is a study on it here if you want further reading

https://theconversation.com/what-wo...everyone-had-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-63153

Not really.

 

[Ron1878]

We are still under the remit of EMA policy, and EU laws also allow other member states to approve medicines for emergency use without EMA authorisation.

Correct. We're also the first country to approve the Pfizer vaccine because we only have one month to freely import it.

 

[Aberblue]

Oddly enough, there probably is some benefits to having a Tory government in at this time. The right wing press would have been apoplectic at any measures imposed making government policy very hard to implement. Could have caused greater civil unrest

Also, Tory MPs would have had a field day protesting about any restriction. They're bad enough now with a Conservative government.