Current Affairs EU In or Out

[NilSatisOptimum]

Operation Kent Car Park is in well, full flow...lol

Operation Fennel: 9 measures to prevent Brexit traffic chaos and 1 they're staying quiet about - Kent Live

 

[arminisgod]

lol

They’d have been much better, pete - look at the rest of the world, apart from Mexico the worst hit countries are the ones led by right-wing narcissists.

that's not really true is it? Per capita i think Left wing states are the worst.

But as if COVID is influenced by political parties

 

[peteblue]

lol

They’d have been much better, pete - look at the rest of the world, apart from Mexico the worst hit countries are the ones led by right-wing narcissists.

Strange way to describe the Leaders of Wales and Scotland......

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

lol

They’d have been much better, pete - look at the rest of the world, apart from Mexico the worst hit countries are the ones led by right-wing narcissists.

Rishi Sunak Eat out to spread it about would not seen the light of day under Corbyn, maybe that effort would have gone in track and trace and protecting those in care homes etc...

 

[JimmyJeffers]

i still fail to see why we would have to agree to a new freedom of movement. What did we do prior to the Lisbon treaty?

I'm pretty certain people from other countries still worked in the uk

We’ll see, could be wrong of course but it’s difficult to imagine that there won’t be resentment amongst future generations if opportunities in Europe are harder to come by and that could lead to a change in government policy. Also people wont be angry at there being lots of Polish about then.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

i still fail to see why we would have to agree to a new freedom of movement. What did we do prior to the Lisbon treaty?

I'm pretty certain people from other countries still worked in the uk

The point of any international cooperation isn't to create something but rather to make it easier. We will still trade with other nations even without a trade deal, but a trade deal removes barriers to doing so. It's no different with mobility. Speaking to a guy earlier who is Swedish. Been here ages, married to a Welsh lady. Kid together etc. The kind of person you would imagine we would want to encourage to take citizenship, yet he's not doing it because £1,500 for that "honour" is too much. He'll still be here I suspect, but he won't feel as welcomed or as part of the furniture.

The country benefits enormously from the people who come and make their lives here, and all we can do is put road blocks in their way at any opportunity. Even aside from that being completely counter productive, it seems to be spiteful for the sake of being spiteful.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We’ll see, could be wrong of course but it’s difficult to imagine that there won’t be resentment amongst future generations if opportunities in Europe are harder to come by and that could lead to a change in government policy. Also people wont be angry at there being lots of Polish about then.

Migration from the A8 countries has already fallen sharply. As their economies improve, the pound continues to weaken, and hostility towards them remains, it's perhaps unsurprising that fewer wish to live here.

 

[arminisgod]

The point of any international cooperation isn't to create something but rather to make it easier. We will still trade with other nations even without a trade deal, but a trade deal removes barriers to doing so. It's no different with mobility. Speaking to a guy earlier who is Swedish. Been here ages, married to a Welsh lady. Kid together etc. The kind of person you would imagine we would want to encourage to take citizenship, yet he's not doing it because £1,500 for that "honour" is too much. He'll still be here I suspect, but he won't feel as welcomed or as part of the furniture.

The country benefits enormously from the people who come and make their lives here, and all we can do is put road blocks in their way at any opportunity. Even aside from that being completely counter productive, it seems to be spiteful for the sake of being spiteful.

I really can't be arsed with the brexit debate again, but i'm afraid your way of thinking Bruce wasn't shared by 52% of the country.

People have no issue with people coming to work in this country as long as they are skilled and benefit the country.

A labourer packing biscuits into a box isn't classed as that and as such people don't want unlimited movement of people. Note the word 'unlimited' which remainers seem to ignore

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I certainly hope you are not suggesting that Corbyn and Abbott would have been the correct solution for dealing with the pandemic. For all the chaos you imagine, Labour have not laid a glove on the current government either with Covid or Brexit.....

Oddly enough, there probably is some benefits to having a Tory government in at this time. The right wing press would have been apoplectic at any measures imposed making government policy very hard to implement. Could have caused greater civil unrest

 

[summerisle]

I really can't be arsed with the brexit debate again, but i'm afraid your way of thinking Bruce wasn't shared by 52% of the country.

People have no issue with people coming to work in this country as long as they are skilled and benefit the country.

A labourer packing biscuits into a box isn't classed as that and as such people don't want unlimited movement of people. Note the word 'unlimited' which remainers seem to ignore

52% of the people who voted, not of the total adult population, there's a difference.

 

[Alan Whittle]

A labourer packing biscuits into a box isn't classed as that and as such people don't want unlimited movement of people. Note the word 'unlimited' which remainers seem to ignore

#Freethebiscuitpackers.

 

[Haydn]

The worrying thing now is that whatever decision is made by Johnson on a trade agreement, it isn't going to be based on the best possible long term outcome for the future of the country and its people. It will be a purely political decision based on what will play out best for him personally.

Can he sell the a dressed up version of the same deal, that has been on the table all along and could have been done months ago, as being the outcome of his world-beating negotiation ? Or does he calculate that the response from the nut-job, Brexit means Brexit, tory gammon faction (including Farage and followers) will cause him more political long-term harm ? Which outcome will present the best sound bite opportunity for a "Churchillian" victory speech that he will want to see as his defining legacy.

He only backed Brexit in the first place because that looked the better option for his personal political ambitions, so he ain't going to change now. The camouflage and distraction that Covid gives him in terms of the hit on the economy may be a temptation to go full Union Jack, Rule Britannia, Free Haddock for Everyone, sign up to be a deck-hand on a trawler........

My guess is that he will do a deal and smear lipstick all over that pig......probably leaving (hiding) some of the finer, more contentious detail to be agreed ("with our friends, allies and partners") over time. The bloke is a wretch.

 

[tsubaki]

that's not really true is it? Per capita i think Left wing states are the worst.

But as if COVID is influenced by political parties

“left wing states” lol

not many of those around nowadays, certainly none that’s had 400000 dead due to this

 

[tsubaki]

Strange way to describe the Leaders of Wales and Scotland......

both have (so far) done better in terms of deaths per 100000 than England, pete

 

[peteblue]

both have (so far) done better in terms of deaths per 100000 than England, pete

Slightly, but I think population densities for each country may just have had some bearing...anyway this is the wrong thread....