Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[grandjoeblue]

I saw a few in Bangkok, but when i got to my resort after a 3 hour journey i barely saw anyone wearing a face mask.

Yeh I also seen a few in Bangkok but its so densily populated that its still probably only a few out of every 100 people or less.

 

[Kenshin]

That Forbes article doesn't back up what you said, it says the opposite.

You stated that wearing masks weakens the immune system, this is a myth as the article states this is not the case. The same as the other myth that wearing masks causes you to inhale more carbon dioxide.

Why people believe peddled nonsense like this all the time instead of the experts i don't know.

Again the mask specifically doesn't do that. A significant length of time reducing the amount of human to human transmission of viruses does that.

The mask plays it's part in doing that

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Isn`t mask wearing in Asian countries ( cities) because of their chronic pollution problems - smog, not due to the " prevention " of illness ?

That and they're "really" ugly.

 

[peteblue]

I refer to Everton as “us” or “we” as well pete, but haven’t played for them and never lived in L4

So who was the ‘us’ ?....

 

[wm02]

The Japanese wear them if they are ill themselves to stop the spread of germs.

More of attitude thats its good hygiene to wear them.

Yup. I used to travel to Japan for work about once a year and it’s definitely a courtesy issue if one has a cold. The Japanese are an exceptionally thoughtful people

 

[Deleted member 48881]

was checking google street view photos from 2015 in tokyo, so few people wear masks. I think thats mainly Beijing and Shanghai thing, air pollution is terrible over there.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Yup. I used to travel to Japan for work about once a year and it’s definitely a courtesy issue if one has a cold. The Japanese are an exceptionally thoughtful people

Not just thoughtful, it's shameful not to wear one if you're sick. This is weird for Western cultures, but public responsibility and public shame have huge bearing on culture in places like Japan. In some ways these are more understandable than others for me. My sister worked in a school there 2 years and if you don't eat all of your lunch the school kids would get a huge telling off if they didn't finish their tray. She learned this the hard way (although did not admit it was her) and learned to swap foods with kids if she ate school foods and didn't pack her own lunch.

 

[SerenityNigh]

The Japanese wear them if they are ill themselves to stop the spread of germs.

More of attitude thats its good hygiene to wear them.

And although there are conflicting views on this, many think this is why the disease has spread so slowly there.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Why? I'd have thought the past ten months would have educated everyone on the impact of illnesses like this, and in terms of higher risk areas (public transport for example) asking people to wear one would improve the flu death rates every year - even if you just said from October to March that one should be worn.

There is a subtle difference between recommending people wear them and forcing people to wear them. As I said, people have a choice and if they want to that's fine. Equally, if they prefer not to then that's fine too.

As far as I'm aware, no other country make mask wearing compulsory (outside of medical pandemics like the current one) and I see absolutely no reason why we should be the first.

 

[Billy Dean]

I'd have no problem with a requirement to wear a mask on public transport once this is all over.

 

[PhilM]

I was hearing on the news how Pfizer's vaccine needs to be stored at -70C in batches 1,000 and therefore it wouldn't be stored only at larger hospital sites.

They were running the story on how it would be incredibly difficult to logistically move it around to care homes, which they're still doing right now on BBC News.

Even though a Pfizer representative has just been on and stated that although it to be -70C for the first shipment, it can be split and kept in a fridge for 10 days.

Who needs facts when you've got your own narrative, aye?

 

[tsubaki]

So who was the ‘us’ ?....

Wales, pete

 

[Barnfred 55]

sigh

iii) they aren't equivalent to tier 1 in England
iv) you did
v) no, I didn't - as said above there isn't a lockdown coming, and what I said was that people from England were coming to Wales to shop and thereby spread disease (which is true, at least based on the police patrols that were sent out to stop people (edit) and the reports of people doing it)
vi) I suggest you read Wales Online more closely, as well as a map. Wales is a very geographically divided place, we don't (because of the lack of transport links and the terrain) tend to travel between north and south anything near as much as we do between west and east - so the comparison needs to be split between North and South. In the North, since the lockdown was lifted the counties with the highest rates of infection per 100000 are Wrexham (626) and Flintshire (608), with the counties further west less affected (Denbighshire 227, Conwy 127, Gwynedd 129, Anglesey 99). The South is slightly different because although the big cities aren't on the border, they are (thanks to rail and the M4) easier to reach from England than many places closer to the border, with Cardiff (2028) and Swansea (1960) higher than Newport (1190) or Monmouth (445). Pandemic disease generally spreads along transport links (and ease of access), and what we see from this is what we'd expect to see; the places that are easiest to get to are the hardest hit (at least since lockdown).
vii) with respect, I trust SAGE far more than I trust you - they've at least been right on this subject

As for the rest of your post, I think you are replying to a point that wasn't made. The English tier system wasn't mentioned; what I said was that he should have took advice rather than ignoring it in the hope it went away.

I don't know about "sigh", I always feel like banging my head against a wall after exchanging a few posts with you mate. lol

But seriously. there's no point carrying on this conversation really as, per usual, we are poles apart. As a matter of interest though, what are the differences between Wales post circuit break restrictions and England's tier 1, cos I'm buggered if I can see any. Also I suggest, if you have the time, that you read the first round of SAGE minutes published (up until the end of May). You may find it affects the amount of confidence you have in the quality of the advice they provide.

 

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[davek]

I was hearing on the news how Pfizer's vaccine needs to be stored at -70C in batches 1,000 and therefore it wouldn't be stored only at larger hospital sites.

They were running the story on how it would be incredibly difficult to logistically move it around to care homes, which they're still doing right now on BBC News.

Even though a Pfizer representative has just been on and stated that although it to be -70C for the first shipment, it can be split and kept in a fridge for 10 days.

Who needs facts when you've got your own narrative, aye?

As I suspected and stated last Friday. This 'moving around' story is BS. IMO, it's designed to preserve a very small order of this vaccine for the NHS, and they're having to spin this story because the Oxford vaccine isn't anywhere near as efficacious as Pfizer or Moderna (and probably not even Sputnik), but that's the only one that will be administered to the vast majority in this country.

Again, this government has made a complete balls up of the vaccine to go along with their failure to lockdown early enough, failure to ensure enough PPE was there for the first wave, failure on trace and track testing, and failure on its tier system.

Mark my words, many people who can afford to shop around will do so and get hold of Pfizer's vaccine...by hook or by crook.