Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Noisy noise annoys]

There is actually evidence of that. It promotes risky behaviour as you feel invulnerable - it's a concept that applies to things like PrEP, which prevents AIDs but then makes you less likely to use a condom, meaning other diseases then thrive.

It's called the Peltzman Effect.

Masks should only be worn when absolutely required IMO.

OK< thought he was suggesting masks cause actual illness themselves (as per the conspiracy crap earlier this year).

 

[blulouie]

I've got no issue having to wear a mask in a supermarket or on public transport for the rest of my life.

Neither have I.
Which got me thinking the of most packed places that I go to throughout a normal year.
Top of it is Goodison park.
I wouldnt have a problem wearing one at the ground either.

 

[Tubey]

OK< thought he was suggesting masks cause actual illness themselves (as per the conspiracy crap earlier this year).

Oh, absolutely not. They can't really cause bacterial infections or whatever on their own. That's just silly nonsense.

 

[Charro]

Neither have I.
Which got me thinking the of most packed places that I go to throughout a normal year.
Top of it is Goodison park.
I wouldnt have a problem wearing one at the ground either.

Wouldn’t wearing a mask at the ground take away a lot of enjoyment though?

No eating, drinking, shouting and singing becomes pointless, would be difficult for the person next to you to hear what you’re saying if you want to talk to them.

When it’s safe for 40,000 people to be at the match, it’ll be safe to do it without the need to wear a mask.

 

[Kenshin]

How?

“They’ll kill more people than they save” is one of the least correct statements on this thread, and there’s been some whoppers.

Really?

So tell me then. How does the immune system protect us from all sorts of nasty things if long term we actively prevent any bad things going into it for it to function?

You do know how an immune system works right? It's not magic, it needs things going into it to protect us against stronger version of it.

So wearing masks and preventing these bad things going into the immune system will not create anything to protect us.

This is literally basic stuff guys. Before you accuse it of being wham , Google it.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Really?

So tell me then. How does the immune system protect us from all sorts of nasty things if long term we actively prevent any bad things going into it for it to function?

You do know how an immune system works right? It's not magic, it needs things going into it to protect us against stronger version of it.

So wearing masks and preventing these bad things going into the immune system will not create anything to protect us.

This is literally basic stuff guys. Before you accuse it of being wham , Google it.

It doesn't stop stuff from going in, it stops the spread of our spit, which may or may not have CV19 within it.

Hundreds of millions wear them daily in Asia without issue. I wore one for 7 hours a day for about a year, they are totally fine. FFS, surgeons wear them for 12 hour operations sometimes.

 

[tsubaki]

Which is what I thought...so why this comment... “again, it did work - the problem was the bigger country next to us not doing the same thing earlier and as a result panicking itself into a longer lockdown than the Welsh one”

I refer to Everton as “us” or “we” as well pete, but haven’t played for them and never lived in L4

 

[Kenshin]

It doesn't stop stuff from going in, it stops the spread of our spit, which may or may not have CV19 within it.

Hundreds of millions wear them daily in Asia without issue. I wore one for 7 hours a day for about a year, they are totally fine.

So what's the most common way of passing viruses around a population? By human spread. If we are wearing masks then we are preventing the spread for anything respiratory related , massively decreasing the spread of any sort of virus as the mask protects others from passing things to each other.

Significantly less spread via humans , tell me where are we getting the viruses from long term?

 

[tsubaki]

Really?

So tell me then. How does the immune system protect us from all sorts of nasty things if long term we actively prevent any bad things going into it for it to function?

You do know how an immune system works right? It's not magic, it needs things going into it to protect us against stronger version of it.

So wearing masks and preventing these bad things going into the immune system will not create anything to protect us.

This is literally basic stuff guys. Before you accuse it of being wham , Google it.

Herd immunity makes a comeback!

Seriously though, we are talking about masks here, not hermetically sealed environment suits that will inevitably fail when we invade Earth in a million to one chance unexpected attack.

 

[blulouie]

If masks were kept in society long term then they would kill far more people than save them.

We won't see an end to them for months as a precaution but long term they have to go.

GTF

 

[Kenshin]

Herd immunity makes a comeback!

Seriously though, we are talking about masks here, not hermetically sealed environment suits that will inevitably fail when we invade Earth in a million to one chance unexpected attack.

It's reduces , not completely gets rid.

You say herd immunity but we have survived thus far in this day and age without a mask for general bugs. Once we are all vaccinated for covid, why keep wearing them? We vaccinate the flu z vaccinate pretty much everything worthy of having one for.

There will be no need to wear masks

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Herd immunity makes a comeback!

Seriously though, we are talking about masks here, not hermetically sealed environment suits that will inevitably fail when we invade Earth in a million to one chance unexpected attack.

Exactly, most of them are just a single ply of cotton and do 99% of nothing regarding CV19 prevention. The idea that they will harm our immune system is madness.
Again, Asia where they wear them in their hundreds of millions for the last 10 + years, if there was ANY issue, they would not do so

 

[blulouie]

Wouldn’t wearing a mask at the ground take away a lot of enjoyment though?

No eating, drinking, shouting and singing becomes pointless, would be difficult for the person next to you to hear what you’re saying if you want to talk to them.

When it’s safe for 40,000 people to be at the match, it’ll be safe to do it without the need to wear a mask.

Just saying I wouldnt have a problem with it , much the same as on transport or in a shop.

 

[Barnfred 55]

ah yes, "facts"

i) yes it is
ii) yes it is
iii) they didn't come out into "very relaxed rules", as the link shows
iv) the infection rates have risen but a new lockdown isn't happening (yet), its a tightening of the restrictions that has been announced
v) i didn't blame the new lockdown (which isnt happening) on the English crossing the border
vi) the border counties in Wales have (relatively) higher infection rates, so where you've got that idea they don't is a mystery unsupported by reality
vii) the "scientific think tank" is the governments science advisors, not a think tank. They advised the government to do a circuit breaker lockdown in Wales, which lowered case numbers. They also advised the government in England to do it, which was ignored, which resulted in increased case numbers up until the government panicked and brought in a longer lockdown. Had the PM listened to his own advisors we would not have had what we've had and things probably would have ended up with a better outcome.

so to summarize, what I am saying is that you are talking wham again

OK

iii) Wales came out of lockdown into restrictions which are equivalent to Tier 1 in England. Only Cornwall where I live is in Tier 1 today. By comparison to the rest of the country I would call that very relaxed and I'm sure all those in tier 2 and 3 on here would agree
iv) Fair enough I used the wrong term with lockdown.
v) Yes you did. More than once as has already been pointed out to you by other posters.
vi) I got the information from Wales online yesterday. Powys, which makes up more than 60% of the border has rates of 86 per 100,000. The other 3 counties/areas that make up the border are Flintshire (105), Wrexham (167) and Monmouthshire (177), all lower and in some cases much lower than the wales average of 218 per 100,000. Yesterday, the combined counties of Powys and Monmouth had a total on 9 new infections, amongst the lowest in the country. Wrexham, whilst much lower than the main hotspots, admittedly had 50 new infections and Flintshire 25. Now, to me, that proves that the border areas are in the lower area of infections rather than the higher areas as you stated.
vii) Makes no difference what you call it, the fact is that our government scientists have consistently got things wrong from the start. I have read the SAGE minutes that have been produced and could probably list 15/20 bad calls the English government have made on the back of poor scientific advice. I don't see why this circuit breaker call would be any different, especially now we have had time to review the fallout from it.

I agree that the English tier system didn't work. I have said that 3 times now so I don't know why you keep on throwing it back at me. I also agree that the Wales circuit break did reduce infections to an extent, but not enough to come out of lockdown in the way it did. As I said, 2 weeks (even 17 days) wasn't long enough. Drakeford should have extended further or at least done something tier related so the worst effected regions still had restrictions. He didn't and he messed up, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the English or the Tories. Get over it.

 

[grandjoeblue]

The idea that people should wear masks to Goodison once COVID is resolved doesn't make a lot of sense to me. People of all ages have been going for over 125 years.