Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[COYBL25]

The idea that people should wear masks to Goodison once COVID is resolved doesn't make a lot of sense to me. People of all ages have been going for over 125 years.

Unless D&G or Prada come up with something special, masks will be ditched pronto in Liverpool.

Especially as half the population of the city don’t wear them already.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Reading elsewhere that the pharma companies making these vacs have liability disclaimer rushed into law in March incase of any serious side effects no one can make a claim against the pharmaceutical companies, sounds a bit fantastical but, worth thinking about

 

[Barnfred 55]

Why? As various right wing types have pointed out, tens of thousands of people die from flu every year and mask wearing on (public transport especially) would prevent some of that.

People have the choice to wear masks if they wish to, especially those who are vulnerable to the flu etc.

But having masks compulsory for everybody once the vaccine is fully available is ridiculous.

 

[orchard]

OK

iii) Wales came out of lockdown into restrictions which are equivalent to Tier 1 in England. Only Cornwall where I live is in Tier 1 today. By comparison to the rest of the country I would call that very relaxed and I'm sure all those in tier 2 and 3 on here would agree
iv) Fair enough I used the wrong term with lockdown.
v) Yes you did. More than once as has already been pointed out to you by other posters.
vi) I got the information from Wales online yesterday. Powys, which makes up more than 60% of the border has rates of 86 per 100,000. The other 3 counties/areas that make up the border are Flintshire (105), Wrexham (167) and Monmouthshire (177), all lower and in some cases much lower than the wales average of 218 per 100,000. Yesterday, the combined counties of Powys and Monmouth had a total on 9 new infections, amongst the lowest in the country. Wrexham, whilst much lower than the main hotspots, admittedly had 50 new infections and Flintshire 25. Now, to me, that proves that the border areas are in the lower area of infections rather than the higher areas as you stated.
vii) Makes no difference what you call it, the fact is that our government scientists have consistently got things wrong from the start. I have read the SAGE minutes that have been produced and could probably list 15/20 bad calls the English government have made on the back of poor scientific advice. I don't see why this circuit breaker call would be any different, especially now we have had time to review the fallout from it.

I agree that the English tier system didn't work. I have said that 3 times now so I don't know why you keep on throwing it back at me. I also agree that the Wales circuit break did reduce infections to an extent, but not enough to come out of lockdown in the way it did. As I said, 2 weeks (even 17 days) wasn't long enough. Drakeford should have extended further or at least done something tier related so the worst effected regions still had restrictions. He didn't and he messed up, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the English or the Tories. Get over it.

Re #6
Powys need to be a more localised assessment, and one would need to include Newport and environs for a balanced look.

Thanks for doing it though, I asked @tsubaki for the evidence last week.

 

[Moomin]

There is actually evidence of that. It promotes risky behaviour as you feel invulnerable - it's a concept that applies to things like PrEP, which prevents AIDs but then makes you less likely to use a condom, meaning other diseases then thrive.

It's called the Peltzman Effect.

Masks should only be worn when absolutely required IMO.

I don't think that will be his reasoning for why.

He will have some facebook theory.

 

[Moomin]

Really?

So tell me then. How does the immune system protect us from all sorts of nasty things if long term we actively prevent any bad things going into it for it to function?

You do know how an immune system works right? It's not magic, it needs things going into it to protect us against stronger version of it.

So wearing masks and preventing these bad things going into the immune system will not create anything to protect us.

This is literally basic stuff guys. Before you accuse it of being wham , Google it.

Haha

@Tubey told you.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Why can’t we be expected to wear a mask in packed tubes / trains / buses? Countries who got much less hammered by this do that all year round and have for years.

That's a personal choice people make. As far as I'm aware it isn't mandatory by law. And some of those countries where masks are commonplace have really bad air pollution.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Think it will be around for the majority of next year.

In small numbers I would agree, once most of the country have been vaccinated. Up until then SD and masks will be part of everyday life.

 

[Tubey]

Haha

@Tubey told you.

Yep.

Ah well. There's me being all "benefit of the doubt" about it hahaha

 

[Barnfred 55]

Re #6
Powys need to be a more localised assessment, and one would need to include Newport and environs for a balanced look.

Thanks for doing it though, I asked @tsubaki for the evidence last week.

I'd link the article if my computer skills were a bit better.

Certainly quicker than having to type it all out lol

 

[blulouie]

The idea that people should wear masks to Goodison once COVID is resolved doesn't make a lot of sense to me. People of all ages have been going for over 125 years.

"Once COVID is resolved"

Which could possibly 12 months or even a year.....or never.

So if a good portion of the populus is vaccinated by March and the " powers that be recommend wearing a mask" until its much safer I wouldnt have a problem with that.
It'll be a good while before anything gets back to anywhere near normal.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

"Once COVID is resolved"

Which could possibly 12 months or even a year.....or never.

So if a good portion of the populus is vaccinated by March and the " powers that be recommend wearing a mask" until its much safer I wouldnt have a problem with that.
It'll be a good while before anything gets back to anywhere near normal.

I think it's more once Covid is manageable.

I think that's March/April time when the demographics which cause 99% of deaths have ready access to a vaccine.

 

[tsubaki]

Powys need to be a more localised assessment, and one would need to include Newport and environs for a balanced look.

Thanks for doing it though, I asked @tsubaki for the evidence last week.

sorry, must have missed that - the data I was using is here: https://public.tableau.com/profile/.../RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary

 

[Kenshin]

Haha

@Tubey told you.

How is that a Facebook theory?

It's common sense this. If you restrict the bad stuff going into the body then the immune system cannot work as effectively because it can't develop antibodies for said viruses.

Restricting the human to human transmission of anything will reduce the antibodies we have for anything.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

How is that a Facebook theory?

It's common sense this. If you restrict the bad stuff going into the body then the immune system cannot work as effectively because it can't develop antibodies for said viruses.

Restricting the human to human transmission of anything will reduce the antibodies we have for anything.

What do you think happens in Asia where they wear them in their hundreds of millions absolutely everywhere????