Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[blulouie]

I think it's more once Covid is manageable.

I think that's March/April time when the demographics which cause 99% of deaths have ready access to a vaccine.

Very true.
Manageable is more appropriate.

 

[tsubaki]

OK

iii) Wales came out of lockdown into restrictions which are equivalent to Tier 1 in England. Only Cornwall where I live is in Tier 1 today. By comparison to the rest of the country I would call that very relaxed and I'm sure all those in tier 2 and 3 on here would agree
iv) Fair enough I used the wrong term with lockdown.
v) Yes you did. More than once as has already been pointed out to you by other posters.
vi) I got the information from Wales online yesterday. Powys, which makes up more than 60% of the border has rates of 86 per 100,000. The other 3 counties/areas that make up the border are Flintshire (105), Wrexham (167) and Monmouthshire (177), all lower and in some cases much lower than the wales average of 218 per 100,000. Yesterday, the combined counties of Powys and Monmouth had a total on 9 new infections, amongst the lowest in the country. Wrexham, whilst much lower than the main hotspots, admittedly had 50 new infections and Flintshire 25. Now, to me, that proves that the border areas are in the lower area of infections rather than the higher areas as you stated.
vii) Makes no difference what you call it, the fact is that our government scientists have consistently got things wrong from the start. I have read the SAGE minutes that have been produced and could probably list 15/20 bad calls the English government have made on the back of poor scientific advice. I don't see why this circuit breaker call would be any different, especially now we have had time to review the fallout from it.

I agree that the English tier system didn't work. I have said that 3 times now so I don't know why you keep on throwing it back at me. I also agree that the Wales circuit break did reduce infections to an extent, but not enough to come out of lockdown in the way it did. As I said, 2 weeks (even 17 days) wasn't long enough. Drakeford should have extended further or at least done something tier related so the worst effected regions still had restrictions. He didn't and he messed up, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the English or the Tories. Get over it.

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iii) they aren't equivalent to tier 1 in England
iv) you did
v) no, I didn't - as said above there isn't a lockdown coming, and what I said was that people from England were coming to Wales to shop and thereby spread disease (which is true, at least based on the police patrols that were sent out to stop people (edit) and the reports of people doing it)
vi) I suggest you read Wales Online more closely, as well as a map. Wales is a very geographically divided place, we don't (because of the lack of transport links and the terrain) tend to travel between north and south anything near as much as we do between west and east - so the comparison needs to be split between North and South. In the North, since the lockdown was lifted the counties with the highest rates of infection per 100000 are Wrexham (626) and Flintshire (608), with the counties further west less affected (Denbighshire 227, Conwy 127, Gwynedd 129, Anglesey 99). The South is slightly different because although the big cities aren't on the border, they are (thanks to rail and the M4) easier to reach from England than many places closer to the border, with Cardiff (2028) and Swansea (1960) higher than Newport (1190) or Monmouth (445). Pandemic disease generally spreads along transport links (and ease of access), and what we see from this is what we'd expect to see; the places that are easiest to get to are the hardest hit (at least since lockdown).
vii) with respect, I trust SAGE far more than I trust you - they've at least been right on this subject

As for the rest of your post, I think you are replying to a point that wasn't made. The English tier system wasn't mentioned; what I said was that he should have took advice rather than ignoring it in the hope it went away.

 

[Prevenger17]

What do you think happens in Asia where they wear them in their hundreds of millions absolutely everywhere????

Japan have the highest life expectancy and are one of the healthiest countries in the world. They'd be immortal if they stopped wearing those killer masks

 

[Kenshin]

What do you think happens in Asia where they wear them in their hundreds of millions absolutely everywhere????

People get sick less because they are wearing masks?

 

[tsubaki]

People have the choice to wear masks if they wish to, especially those who are vulnerable to the flu etc.

But having masks compulsory for everybody once the vaccine is fully available is ridiculous.

Why? I'd have thought the past ten months would have educated everyone on the impact of illnesses like this, and in terms of higher risk areas (public transport for example) asking people to wear one would improve the flu death rates every year - even if you just said from October to March that one should be worn.

 

[tsubaki]

How is that a Facebook theory?

It's common sense this. If you restrict the bad stuff going into the body then the immune system cannot work as effectively because it can't develop antibodies for said viruses.

Restricting the human to human transmission of anything will reduce the antibodies we have for anything.

common sense = children should be exposed to disease as part of their curriculum

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

People get sick less because they are wearing masks?

No, it is exactly the same as here, wearing as mask does not make you ill in any way.

 

[orchard]

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iii) they aren't equivalent to tier 1 in England
iv) you did
v) no, I didn't - as said above there isn't a lockdown coming, and what I said was that people from England were coming to Wales to shop and spread disease (which is true, at least based on the police patrols that were sent out to stop people)
vi) I suggest you read Wales Online more closely, as well as a map. Wales is a very geographically divided place, we don't (because of the lack of transport links and the terrain) tend to travel between north and south anything near as much as we do between west and east - so the comparison needs to be split between North and South. In the North, since the lockdown was lifted the counties with the highest rates of infection per 100000 are Wrexham (626) and Flintshire (608), with the counties further west less affected (Denbighshire 227, Conwy 127, Gwynedd 129, Anglesey 99). The South is slightly different because although the big cities aren't on the border, they are (thanks to rail and the M4) easier to reach from England than many places closer to the border, with Cardiff (2028) and Swansea (1960) higher than Newport (1190) or Monmouth (445). Pandemic disease generally spreads along transport links (and ease of access), and what we see from this is what we'd expect to see; the places that are easiest to get to are the hardest hit (at least since lockdown).
vii) with respect, I trust SAGE far more than I trust you - they've at least been right on this subject

As for the rest of your post, I think you are replying to a point that wasn't made. The English tier system wasn't mentioned; what I said was that he should have took advice rather than ignoring it in the hope it went away.

Re the point that the Welsh lockdown should have been greater that two weeks - would the assembly have had the finances to do so at that juncture, with BJ and chums trying to obstruct the devolved redistribution and having not planned theirs at that point ?

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Why can’t we be expected to wear a mask in packed tubes / trains / buses? Countries who got much less hammered by this do that all year round and have for years.

we need bacterias, viruses (non covid) and dusts. only tiny few will continue 2021 june onwards.

otherwise you're an open target, your body will be weak as hell.

 

[tsubaki]

Re the point that the Welsh lockdown should have been greater that two weeks - would the assembly have had the finances to do so at that juncture, with BJ and chums trying to obstruct the devolved redistribution and having not planned theirs at that point ?

TBF I think the debate over its length is moot - it had to be coordinated with the English one, at least in terms of when it was lifted

 

[Kenshin]

No, it is exactly the same as here, wearing as mask does not make you ill in any way.

It doesn't make you ill!!!!!!

It prevents the immune system long term from developing antibodies if you limit the exposure you have.

Even the common cold has a ton of different causes and some of them mutate.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I think it's more once Covid is manageable.

I think that's March/April time when the demographics which cause 99% of deaths have ready access to a vaccine.

Apparently they seem to think that the majority of at risk people will be vaccinated by January. Seems quite wishful thinking but that would be very impressive if its achieved.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

There is actually evidence of that. It promotes risky behaviour as you feel invulnerable - it's a concept that applies to things like PrEP, which prevents AIDs but then makes you less likely to use a condom, meaning other diseases then thrive.

It's called the Peltzman Effect.

Masks should only be worn when absolutely required IMO.

yep

 

[Moomin]

Wearing A Mask To Protect Against Covid-19 Coronavirus Will Not Weaken Your Immune System

Some people have suggested that mask-wearing can lower the immune system, but there is no scientific evidence for this claim.

www.forbes.com

 

[Deleted member 48881]

The idea that people should wear masks to Goodison once COVID is resolved doesn't make a lot of sense to me. People of all ages have been going for over 125 years.

yep