Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

To add to this, we don't appear to feel shame though, we STILL celebrate the people who made money from the Empire and slavery. After the war, the Germans removed every trace of Nazism and Hitler, there are no statues or street names, here we still have EMpire worship all over the place and the people who come from those countries walk among it, while it celebrates their people's conquerors and enslavers. Its nuts

The crazy thing is that the many of the people here (whose descendants defended statues of the people responsible) were massively exploited as well; Engels’ “The Condition of the Working Class in England” describes a world where the average life expectancy and childhood mortality was as bad in parts of Manchester, Glasgow and London as it was for enslaved people in the slave-owning South.

Even into the last century people were doing low paid work that their bosses knew would poison them, to say nothing of unsafe work environments.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

To add to this, we don't appear to feel shame though, we STILL celebrate the people who made money from the Empire and slavery. After the war, the Germans removed every trace of Nazism and Hitler, there are no statues or street names, here we still have EMpire worship all over the place and the people who come from those countries walk among it, while it celebrates their people's conquerors and enslavers. Its nuts

History is there to be learnt from imo - we shouldn't be removing traces of anything as it serves a purpose just because we judge them as evil by todays standards.

Thats the problem a lot of people have when looking at history - if you judge history by today's standards then everything was evil.

Back when Empire went on there was no international law, women and children were treated awfully, as were animals and gays. No welfare systems or care for the poor. Thats just the times of what life was which is why you need to put it into context. And again Britain was invaded long before it began invading other countries and had the countries we colonised had the tools to do the colonising before us we would have been on the other end of the stick.

But we should never glorify or shame history you simply have to learn from it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Cue the level of mockery Abbott got when she bungled the police figures.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

History is there to be learnt from imo - we shouldn't be removing traces of anything as it serves a purpose just because we judge them as evil by todays standards.

Thats the problem a lot of people have when looking at history - if you judge history by today's standards then everything was evil.

Back when Empire went on there was no international law, women and children were treated awfully, as were animals and gays. No welfare systems or care for the poor. Thats just the times of what life was which is why you need to put it into context. And again Britain was invaded long before it began invading other countries and had the countries we colonised had the tools to do the colonising before us we would have been on the other end of the stick.

But we should never glorify or shame history you simply have to learn from it.

But we aren't learning from it by having celebratory statues and buildings, quite the opposite. Learning from it would be having it as part of the curriculum as to how badly we behaved towards others even in the 20th century. Our great country was responsible for millions of deaths and untold suffering.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

The crazy thing is that the many of the people here (whose descendants defended statues of the people responsible) were massively exploited as well; Engels’ “The Condition of the Working Class in England” describes a world where the average life expectancy and childhood mortality was as bad in parts of Manchester, Glasgow and London as it was for enslaved people in the slave-owning South.

Even into the last century people were doing low paid work that their bosses knew would poison them, to say nothing of unsafe work environments.

Absolutely, and it is like poor people voting tory now. Exploited en masse yet vote for them after ten years of austerity. Thick as ****

 

[Barnfred 55]

Come on guys. It's an important thread this.

Even if you want to spout your politics (for which there are numerous other threads in this forum) at least try and make it remotely on topic.

Cheers.

 

[tsubaki]

Back on topic (sort of), how are holidays abroad allowed if Manchester airport is in tier 3? I’m reasonably intelligent but I can’t get my head around this and multiple websites don’t seem to answer this question. I noticed the Manchester airport departures board just now is showing flights departing to the Canaries etc (jet2, Tui etc). So clearly lots of people are going away on those flights from Manchester today. Must be “on business” lol

I live in North Wales and so, technically, can now travel to England. So I could fly out of Liverpool but not Manchester? Or can I? I’m confused.

It all comes down to what “reasonable excuse” is defined as, but yes it’s ridiculous.

 

[arminisgod]

To someone visiting from abroad Chester will be just as beautiful as something in france or wherever they’re from.

Look at our manager for example. He’s completely blown away by Crosby of all places.

The coast from Crosby up to formby is genuinely stunning and rivals anything europe could offer.

There’s some great places up here. What let’s this country down is the mentality of its people.

Little englander mentality that seeps through the country looking to create conflict and rivalries with countries based on events from absolute decades ago. It’s pathetic and now we have a government that enables this type of thinking it’s only going to get worse.

thats a bit of a stretch..

Plus it pisses down all the time. That's what let's it down

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Come on guys. It's an important thread this.

Even if you want to spout your politics (for which there are numerous other threads in this forum) at least try and make it remotely on topic.

Cheers.

oh yes, lets not talk about the politics plebeians.

Quarantine rules to be relaxed for business travellers - BBC News

 

[summerisle]

Perhaps they should just stfu and stop making complete fools of themselves - every bloody day.

 

[Barnfred 55]

oh yes, lets not talk about the politics plebeians.

Quarantine rules to be relaxed for business travellers - BBC News

At least that's on topic

 

[peteblue]

Cue the level of mockery Abbott got when she bungled the police figures.

There should be no exemptions. Covid does not recognise the difference between business people and other people.....

 

[Tubey]

"It was just one of those things where I sat down in front of the TV with a British TV station and the first thing they said was, 'Ah, we beat you guys. We beat the Americans to the punch',"

"And I kind of reacted back at him when I think I probably should not have done."

So Fauci endangered lives with a petulant comment because he got his ickle feelings hurt.

I think it annoys me so much because you expect such stupidity from the likes of Trump, Johnson et al, but this is supposed to be a world-renowned respected scientist and he pulls crap like that.

Moron.

 

[Nymzee]

Who gives a toss which country developed a vaccine first anyway? Get it sent round the world and help everyone.

 

[Tubey]

Who gives a toss which country developed a vaccine first anyway? Get it sent round the world and help everyone.

Wouldn't mind but it's actually an American vaccine via a German company - it's a USA/EU success story. We just approved it first. Doesn't bloody matter as long as it's ultimately safe. For Fauci to undermine public confidence in the safety procedure is horrifyingly irresponsible.



That will be the prevalent response now - "oh he's been made to apologise."

I'm going to guess most in here will be baffled as to why I keep going on about Fauci's comments, but they are atrocious. If Trump had said it, it'd be par for the course, but for someone with his position of influence and credibility to come out with a completely unfounded, petty little remark like that... he'll be responsible for the deaths of thousands with his comments.