Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

Right, where did I say it was new news? I fully understand that the NHS has been crippled by under/miss-funding.

I'm going off what someone who works in the wards day in, day out, says (and thankfully their death rate is going down with the patients, because they know how to treat this).

The PPE they (they being the Sheffield Hallam trust, in this case) have is working.

The most pertinent factor is lockdown. Not only just reducing this virus spreading , but also other illnesses and incidents when life is 'normal' that would bring people in the need of medical care. The NHS just about copes every winter without COVID and Lockdown.

PPE regulation has been loosened just to get something on the something on the front line. As from 27 April 2020 the Government downgraded the extent of PPE advised in some situations and it now allows repeated or extended use of some equipment. Most concerning the guidance does not emphasise that PPE in the face of danger is mandatory. So of course there is PPE they have basically rationioned it.

 

[blulouie]

In relative terms: Oxord-AstraZenica has failed and this government have backed the wrong horse. Again.

That's not to say, though, that particular vaccine cant help - it can. It will, however, cause a lot of 'shopping around'.

Not at all mate.
The other 2 have major flaws the Oxford hasnt.
Logistical nightmare to produce Billions of doses of a vaccine that needs to be stored & distributed at -70° , plus both are not proven to work on the elderly.
Oxford ( if you look further than the 70% headline ) shows its eficacy is very similar to the other 2.
With 2 correct doses @ 90% , thats a fantastic result.

 

[BlueToff]

Viruses are spread primarily by symptomatic carriers. It can spread by asymptomatic means but it's not the same rate of infection.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if a 25 year old won't be bladdered by it - if they are coughing, they are still carriers and massive spreaders of the infection.

That's why you need to hit a high percentage of the population for a form of "herd immunity" with a vaccine. If everyone under 40 just thinks "sod it, I'll be fine anyway", then the virus stays in society at constant levels. Once immunity wanes when complacency sets in (let's face it, we don't even know how long immunity will last with a vaccine), then you'll see the elderly killed in big numbers again because the younger in society didn't get the jab.

The vaccine isn't really about you. But you should still take it to protect others.

Yes, I totally get that. But I also know that my age group will be the last in line - maybe it should be the other way round, and the people who get it first are the people who aren't judged as 'vulnerable' (in order to protect the vulnerable)?

I'm not - and I don't think anyone else in here is - suggesting that we don't want/won't get the vaccine as soon as it's available to us. In fact I'd say it's my generation who are much more likely to be happy to get it than the older generations.

It's just striking that balance between how to bring stuff back while the vaccine is phased out across the population.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Viruses are spread primarily by symptomatic carriers. It can spread by asymptomatic means but it's not the same rate of infection.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if a 25 year old won't be bladdered by it - if they are coughing, they are still carriers and massive spreaders of the infection.

That's why you need to hit a high percentage of the population for a form of "herd immunity" with a vaccine. If everyone under 40 just thinks "sod it, I'll be fine anyway", then the virus stays in society at constant levels. Once immunity wanes when complacency sets in (let's face it, we don't even know how long immunity will last with a vaccine), then you'll see the elderly killed in big numbers again because the younger in society didn't get the jab.

The vaccine isn't really about you. But you should still take it to protect others.

But it won't be available to 'everyone' in this case, this is a pandemic vaccine, an urgent one. So once govts become able to offer to youngesters, it will be already late to the party, because %60 will be either vaccinated or infected.

 

[BlueToff]

The most pertinent factor is lockdown. Not only just reducing this virus spreading , but also other illnesses and incidents when life is 'normal' that would bring people in the need of medical care. The NHS just about copes every winter without COVID and Lockdown.

PPE regulation has been loosened just to get something on the something on the front line. As from 27 April 2020 the Government downgraded the extent of PPE advised in some situations and it now allows repeated or extended use of some equipment. Most concerning the guidance does not emphasise that PPE in the face of danger is mandatory. So of course there is PPE they have basically rationioned it.

I don't see what point you're making though. If the PPE is working, then that's fine. If the PPE is available, then that's what's important. Right now. That is what is important. Make sure the people who need to wear the PPE have it and that the PPE works - which at this point in time seems to be the case in most Trusts.

Every healthcare system in Europe right now is under the same level of pressure. Germany were worried theirs would completely collapse if not for lockdown, and we can safely say they dealt with the first wave better than most.

I agree on lockdown, but it's not sustainable. It's crippling people financially. Everywhere in the world.

The solution is obviously everybody getting the vaccine when it becomes available to them, though that's going to take some time and will be rolled out to different groups first.

 

[blulouie]

So the Oxford Vaccine is 70% effective

Still good but not as high as the others - easier to store and distribute however.

Read it properly mate

 

[Kenshin]

Given that Liverpool has been using a testing system that gives you results in 30 minutes.

Why do we need to continue not visiting people? Why are we isolating everyone beyond this lockdown?

Surely it would make sense if two (or more) people can pop round for a cup of tea or visit friends / family if they all have negative tests right?

Any chance of this common sense being rolled out country wide after the Liverpool test?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

In relative terms: Oxord-AstraZenica has failed and this government have backed the wrong horse. Again.

That's not to say, though, that particular vaccine cant help - it can. It will, however, cause a lot of 'shopping around'.

Not sure on that. If I understand correctly the Oxford vaccine is more the traditional method of developing vaccine.

Much prefer Oxfords than other two thus far to be honest.

Even if it's effiacy is not a good.

Those DNA ones have scope for I am Omega/ I am Legend scenario, stuff of mutants.

 

[blulouie]

Well we have a flu vaccine every year, to prevent the spread of that particular strain, yet it still mutates and comes around again the next year.

Surely the potential for viruses are always there - we just have the antibodies in our system to fight it off.

A flu jab doesn't mean you can't get flu and surely a COVID jab doesn't mean you can't get COVID. However, it shouldn't do any lasting damage if your body has the antibodies to fight it?

Your 1st sentence sums my point up altogether.

If everyone ( that can ) have an effective flu jab ( even for just one year ) and killed it in its tracks then it cant recirculate or mutate .
Prime examples of this are Smallpox and Ebola , mass vaccination stopped them in their tracks.

 

[Billy Dean]

Germany expects to start vaccinations in mid-December already. Hallelujah

 

[Nymzee]

Given that Liverpool has been using a testing system that gives you results in 30 minutes.

Why do we need to continue not visiting people? Why are we isolating everyone beyond this lockdown?

Surely it would make sense if two (or more) people can pop round for a cup of tea or visit friends / family if they all have negative tests right?

Any chance of this common sense being rolled out country wide after the Liverpool test?

Are these tests free?

 

[BlueToff]

Interesting to note...

There have been 126 more deaths this October than last October.

That's clearly a very nominal ammount.

However, it is a rise of nearly 2000 on October 2018.

Given there is purportedly evidence of COVID been present in Europe as early as September 2019, could this potentially be another indication that this was indeed the case - especially as the 'flu season' last year was reportedly one of the worst?

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Germany expects to start vaccinations in mid-December already. Hallelujah

Are those biontech ones?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

His missus has gone as nutty as him and although she goes to work, apparently she doesn`t leave her office all day ( other than to go to the toilet ) and no one is allowed in either - they have to stand at the door and talk to her lol

Nothing a good fingering wouldn't cure x

 

[BlueToff]

Your 1st sentence sums my point up altogether.

If everyone ( that can ) have an effective flu jab ( even for just one year ) and killed it in its tracks then it cant recirculate or mutate .
Prime examples of this are Smallpox and Ebola , mass vaccination stopped them in their tracks.

Yes, I agree mate. I'm not saying that everyone (who can) shouldn't get this vaccine.

But it's how that's phased out and how that coincides with lifting restrictions. Maybe not on large gatherings etc, but at least on the little things