Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Kenshin said:
Interesting article but it kinda states the obvious in its findings lol
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Yeah, though it is interesting about the correlation (or lack of one) between lockdown and impacts on the actual mortality (not the spread).

Other than that - yeah, encourage better health, less risk of something like this killing people.
 
BlueToff said:
Yeah, though it is interesting about the correlation (or lack of one) between lockdown and impacts on the actual mortality (not the spread).

Other than that - yeah, encourage better health, less risk of something like this killing people.
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That's because lockdown doesn't impact those deep down. Shutting Primark doesn't affect 80 plus year old people and those it does affect aren't at risk.

Like you say the spread is completely different so in a way it's a little short to to connect lockdown and mortality without linking the two via spread which is the important part .
 
BlueToff said:
Yes, I agree mate. I'm not saying that everyone (who can) shouldn't get this vaccine.

But it's how that's phased out and how that coincides with lifting restrictions. Maybe not on large gatherings etc, but at least on the little things
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I think a fair indicator of timescale for this vaccine to be operational is the extension to the Furlough scheme - end of March.
Sunak has not put that in place without justification.
 
davek said:
Not sure about all that.

1/ the storage problem is only a problem until you get enough freezers to solve it.
2/ the Moderna nd Pfizer vaccines are a success on over 70s.
3/ the AstraZenica '90%' is only produced sporadically.
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Dave....we couldnt get a bloody Hercules with faulty face masks mate.

Storage & distribution of a complex vaccine like the 1st two....well yanno.
 
davek said:
Not sure about all that.

1/ the storage problem is only a problem until you get enough freezers to solve it.
2/ the Moderna nd Pfizer vaccines are a success on over 70s.
3/ the AstraZenica '90%' is only produced sporadically.
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Enough freezers? Household freezers are circa -20 degrees, I would guess that refrigerated lorries are similar. Obviously sommet was used to store it at -70, just not sure they are that common a thing.
 
I find it so strange listening to people on local radio here moaning about how busy it was when they went into town in Belfast last weekend. Surely the only way you know how busy town was is if you were there too. A certain irony...

And what did they expect by announcing a lockdown starting on the 27 November. Of course people are going to go and get prepared and get some Christmas shopping done. They are not bad people, they are just normal people who probably work all week. How can you possibly trust things to reopen before Christmas like they've promised.
 
roydo said:
Enough freezers? Household freezers are circa -20 degrees, I would guess that refrigerated lorries are similar. Obviously sommet was used to store it at -70, just not sure they are that common a thing.
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Correct, they are very much not commonplace.
  • Pfizer's shipping boxes, packed with specially formulated dry ice and containing between 1,000 and 5,000 vaccine doses each, can only be opened twice a day for less than three minutes at a time while maintaining temperature standards.
  • Even so, the deep-freeze suitcases only hold their cool for 10 days. And the clock starts ticking when they are sealed, which for U.S. shipments will be at one of two Pfizer facilities, in either Kalamazoo, Michigan, or Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin.
  • Dry ice is considered a hazardous material and restricted on airplanes. Pfizer said its packages contain well under the acceptable limit. But given the logistical challenges, Premier's Saha told CBS MoneyWatch that it could take up to four days for the vaccines to reach their destination. That gives many hospitals and pharmacies as few as just six days to administer up to 5,000 doses before they go bad, or as many as 833 a day. The vaccinations can be moved to a typical refrigerator, but for only five days.
  • Pfizer's shipping container can be refilled with dry ice. But it likely will have to be in pellets not blocks, and a refill, which could cost a few hundred dollars, will only extend the life of deep-freeze suitcase by five days.
  • Hospitals can buy ultra-cold freezers, which will keep the vaccinations up to six months. But few hospitals or pharmacies have the specialty freezers, which can cost as much as $20,000 each, and are in short-supply. Manufacturer K2 told CBS MoneyWatch the wait for its ultra-cold freezers is now six weeks.
  • Pfizer's vaccination requires two doses 21 days apart, making it more complicated to deliver the required number of treatments with doses going to waste.
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www.cbsnews.com

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine distribution will be a "logistical nightmare"

Vaccine "suitcases" can only be opened for 180 seconds at a time. Experts say many doses could go to waste.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
roydo said:
Enough freezers? Household freezers are circa -20 degrees, I would guess that refrigerated lorries are similar. Obviously sommet was used to store it at -70, just not sure they are that common a thing.
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Yeah mine max is -22, a Bosch
 
Charro said:
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Regardless of beliefs, it's a good time for many to enjoy some time off work and to have good family time. I don't understand why some are so annoyed at the thought others want to be able to look forward to something next month. It's been a rubbish year, and the British winter would be very dull without the holidays.

I like Christmas, and it's normal to want to enjoy it again in some extent this year, regardless of what people say.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Regardless of beliefs, it's a good time for many to enjoy some time off work and to have good family time. I don't understand why some are so annoyed at the thought others want to be able to look forward to something next month. It's been a rubbish year, and the British winter would be very dull without the holidays.

I like Christmas, and it's normal to want to enjoy it again in some extent this year, regardless of what people say.
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I don’t even like it and would be made up not to see many people but some of the stuff said towards people hoping to have a bit of a normal Christmas is seriously grim.

Worst thing about this pandemic has been the self righteous bellends casting judgement at anyone setting foot outside the house.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Regardless of beliefs, it's a good time for many to enjoy some time off work and to have good family time. I don't understand why some are so annoyed at the thought others want to be able to look forward to something next month. It's been a rubbish year, and the British winter would be very dull without the holidays.

I like Christmas, and it's normal to want to enjoy it again in some extent this year, regardless of what people say.
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I've been told stuff I enjoy doing isn't important. Like many have. Christmas is the one time of the year I get to see most of my mates together. It's crap that it can't happen this year, but hopefully we'll get it back the year after.

I like to go to gigs - I earn a bit of money from them at times but because I work in sport, I enjoy live music as a bit of a hobby.

I really, really miss it. And it's going to be one of the last things that comes back.

I know we're not at war. I know compared to people in the third world we're fortunate. But there's nothing wrong with wanting to have something to look forward to and enjoy, that isn't just occasionally getting out on the bike :D
 
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