Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Deleted member 48881]

This study underlines while masks are useful they are not as effective as we first thought

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers : A Randomized Controlled Trial - PubMed

The Salling Foundations.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Danes, Swedes continue not only not make them mandatory, but also their govts discourage the public from using it. Once this is done and dusted, we will see who were right...interesting times ahead.

 

[davek]

Not sure on that. If I understand correctly the Oxford vaccine is more the traditional method of developing vaccine.

Much prefer Oxfords than other two thus far to be honest.

Even if it's effiacy is not a good.

Those DNA ones have scope for I am Omega/ I am Legend scenario, stuff of mutants.

I wont kid you and say I'm an expert; but all I know is that people will see 70% versus 95% and doubt what they're getting is good enough.

 

[Kenshin]

Are these tests free?

Absolutely free. Encouraged to keep getting them every couple of weeks as well.

 

[davek]

Not at all mate.
The other 2 have major flaws the Oxford hasnt.
Logistical nightmare to produce Billions of doses of a vaccine that needs to be stored & distributed at -70° , plus both are not proven to work on the elderly.
Oxford ( if you look further than the 70% headline ) shows its eficacy is very similar to the other 2.
With 2 correct doses @ 90% , thats a fantastic result.

Not sure about all that.

1/ the storage problem is only a problem until you get enough freezers to solve it.
2/ the Moderna nd Pfizer vaccines are a success on over 70s.
3/ the AstraZenica '90%' is only produced sporadically.

 

[BlueToff]

This study underlines while masks are useful they are not as effective as we first thought

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers : A Randomized Controlled Trial - PubMed

The Salling Foundations.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Danes, Swedes continue not only not make them mandatory, but also their govts discourage the public from using it. Once this is done and dusted, we will see who were right...interesting times ahead.

I am past caring about having to wear one - it's only a mask. I mean I'm always cold anyway so I'm wearing a snood or scarf most days atm and just using the snood as a face covering too, bit more comfortable than a mask. It's not like I have to wear one all the time so if there's a chance they help then I'm not arsed.

It's more the daft rules the government (and this is on our government) had around them.

 

[Kenshin]

Interesting to note...

There have been 126 more deaths this October than last October.

That's clearly a very nominal ammount.

However, it is a rise of nearly 2000 on October 2018.

Given there is purportedly evidence of COVID been present in Europe as early as September 2019, could this potentially be another indication that this was indeed the case - especially as the 'flu season' last year was reportedly one of the worst?

Someone shared a video last week? Which was a former science advisor for whoever it was. They were on a call in on talk radio and they made an interesting point in regards to what you are referring to.

Basically to sum it up, he thinks the numbers back in April / may were spot on as the tests at the hospital were more focused. Whereas now the testing being done on mass is more irregular results.

He also mentioned that noone is dying more than usual currently. As covid column is up, similar covid numbers are down. Which he thinks is again down to the mass testing being inaccurately recording covid tests positive.

My own thoughts, this has really been the case since July , ridiculously low amount in column a but new column b with the missing numbers.

But from what he was saying, there may be something in the testing theory. He wants the mass testing on NHS staff to he used on covid patients also to see how accurate the readings actually are.

Hopefully whoever posted it will read this and share the video again.

Edit- not right video lol

 

[BlueToff]

Frontiers | Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins of Adaptation

ContextThe human development territories have been severely constrained under the Covid-19 pandemic. A common dynamics has been observed, but its propagation...

www.frontiersin.org

Peer-reviewed article here.

worth a read - the main discussions bit is where the conclusions are.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

I am past caring about having to wear one - it's only a mask. I mean I'm always cold anyway so I'm wearing a snood or scarf most days atm and just using the snood as a face covering too, bit more comfortable than a mask. It's not like I have to wear one all the time so if there's a chance they help then I'm not arsed.

It's more the daft rules the government (and this is on our government) had around them.

yeah, big fan of snoods myself, they come in handy this time around.

 

[toffee82]

Not at all mate.
The other 2 have major flaws the Oxford hasnt.
Logistical nightmare to produce Billions of doses of a vaccine that needs to be stored & distributed at -70° , plus both are not proven to work on the elderly.
Oxford ( if you look further than the 70% headline ) shows its eficacy is very similar to the other 2.
With 2 correct doses @ 90% , thats a fantastic result.

Also, nobody who had the vaccine was seriously ill.

On top of full immunity, even a reduction in severity is great.

 

[grandjoeblue]

This study underlines while masks are useful they are not as effective as we first thought

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers : A Randomized Controlled Trial - PubMed

The Salling Foundations.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Danes, Swedes continue not only not make them mandatory, but also their govts discourage the public from using it. Once this is done and dusted, we will see who were right...interesting times ahead.

A lot of the studies which show that masks work are based on surgical masks. The vast majority of the public are using either disposable masks multiple times or fabric masks which probably don't get washed enough. People are often willing to get very close to you if they have a mask on as well.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

A lot of the studies which show that masks work are based on surgical masks. The vast majority of the public are using either disposable masks multiple times or fabric masks which probably don't get washed enough. People are often willing to get very close to you if they have a mask on as well.

yep, exactly, it may be counter productive so easily. have to be careful.

 

[Paris]

yeah, big fan of snoods myself, they come in handy this time around.

I used to consider snoods to be the preserve of men who look like lesbians, like Samir Nasri, but snoods are fantastic aren't they?

 

[BlueToff]

Earlier posted something about 'around 100 people' being tested in the pfizer one, but it was 30,000 total - with 160 having tested positive for covid.

 

[BlueToff]

I used to consider snoods to be the preserve of men who look like lesbians, like Samir Nasri, but snoods are fantastic aren't they?

Same.

But now I'm cold all the time.

And they're mint. Also good for the bike.

 

[toffee82]

Not sure about all that.

1/ the storage problem is only a problem until you get enough freezers to solve it.
2/ the Moderna nd Pfizer vaccines are a success on over 70s.
3/ the AstraZenica '90%' is only produced sporadically.

Some countries will struggle to get these freezers.
It is also a challenge distributing them in the first place.

I have not seen any age related data yet for the Oxford vaccine.
If we can figure out the group where the Oxford vaccine is 90% effective we have an option that is a tenth of the price to produce and so easy to distribute Deliveroo could drop it off in a cooler bag.