Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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It's in the official stats , go and read them, on the government website
I read them all day and I've been presented with the information in a variety of misleading and 'favourable' ways in the past 9 months.

Telling me 'its in the official stats' really doesn't help me much in this instance as I've no idea where the Times have found their figure due to the pay wall and considering how the official stats are compiled and the problems inherent with them.
 
You would think so mate, my lad said that they have been told not to approach and ask why someone is not wearing a mask. I mentioned to him that surely the store manager would be in a position to inquire, he said no, no one can. This was a while ago like so may have changed. I'll ask him when he gets in.

Went through Waterloo station earlier and they have several reminder signs up and various staff on hand across the concourse, but no one who wasn't wearing a mask was approached. Even with the signs warning of hefty fines, with no policing it seems rather toothless.
 
I read them all day and I've been presented with the information in a variety of misleading and 'favourable' ways in the past 9 months.

Telling me 'its in the official stats' really doesn't help me much in this instance as I've no idea where the Times have found their figure due to the pay wall and considering how the official stats are compiled and the problems inherent with them.
You are doing what I have been accused of, questioning the experts!

The hard fact is that that is the average age. Which means the vast majority of the data falls within that age range.

Which is why I suggest that continuing to apply lockdown measures to simply protect one age group that is mostly affected anyway is going to be destructive in the long run. Much better focused providing protection for them given the facts we do know.

Because these measures actually do more harm than good. Forget the economy , young people , education , social lives , businesses , homes all potentially being destroyed or lost here.

It affects those who are at most risk. Because these are the biggest age group of people who are sick. How many people have said they don't want to end up like that in relation to someone old who can't even recognise their own family? Who can't function? These are some of the people those lockdown measures are designed to protect , they are the ones in the group who are dying from this.

Or the ones who are healthy and being told they can't see their family or friends by law. They have to spend their days alone because they keep getting told their family will kill them. Can't go the pub anymore soon , can't enjoy their days how they want to, risk or no risk.

Because despite all of this. With everyone dictating on here and beyond on how we need to shut everything down to protect these people, noone is asking them what they want. Do they want to be locked away? Stopped from going places ? Cut off from their family? It's all just dismissed for their own good. Yet I know a few affected like that, who will suffer from their cut off from the world.

And even you sir are guilty. I noticed your post to @peteblue earlier dismissing what he was saying which is the point. Noone wants to listen, they just want to dictate and protect.

These average 82 aged people dying from this , do you think they want all of this? To destroy their grandkids future, see their family lose their jobs , their homes , their businesses?

None of this is ever taken into account and there has been plenty of 'at risk' people happy to take the risk at their age being told they have to be locked away. Or locked away in a care home , with no idea who they are or be able to do the most basic of functions.

Deep down , these are who lockdown are protecting. Those who either don't want the lockdown or cannot care for themselves.

This isn't speaking for everyone, this is just me reflecting on enough opinions over the past 7 months from family to even radio phone ins to get a general jist of what anyone using their voice is saying.
 
You would think so mate, my lad said that they have been told not to approach and ask why someone is not wearing a mask. I mentioned to him that surely the store manager would be in a position to inquire, he said no, no one can. This was a while ago like so may have changed. I'll ask him when he gets in.
I guess following on from the less and less masks in the Asda by ours , they don't have to challenge anymore. They have a lad literally as you walk in with a box of masks almost making people put them on.

If nothing else it makes it harder for anyone to take it off round the store because it guilt trips people no end now they are forced to walk past masks made to appear compulsory , although how challenging the lad would be to someone ignoring him I have no idea!
 
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/news/...derlying-condition-covid-19-deaths-alzheimers

New figures today from the ONS have given full details of the underlying conditions of people dying from Covid-19 in England and Wales:

There were 33,841 Covid-19 deaths in March and April in England and Wales.
The most common main pre-existing condition for people dying of Covid-19 in England and Wales was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease, with 6,887 deaths (20.4% of total).

Separately, in April there were a further 9429 people deaths from dementia and Alzheimer’s disease alone in England and 462 in Wales.

This is more context in the grand scheme of things. The more and more you delve deeper than what's on the news you get a completely different perspective on the information being provided.

So when you take into account the average age is 82 of death due to covid and back at 33000 the biggest underlying cause was an age related illness, it's not quite the same as it appears.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...vid-victims-england-wales-have-dementia-study

This even suggests 25% of cases were dementia.

My point is. If one of the biggest underlying causes of death is dementia and it's this demographic that lockdown measures are being designed to protect, surely there is a better way that doesn't have people lose their homes , business , jobs at the very least?
 
You are doing what I have been accused of, questioning the experts!

The hard fact is that that is the average age. Which means the vast majority of the data falls within that age range.

Which is why I suggest that continuing to apply lockdown measures to simply protect one age group that is mostly affected anyway is going to be destructive in the long run. Much better focused providing protection for them given the facts we do know.

Because these measures actually do more harm than good. Forget the economy , young people , education , social lives , businesses , homes all potentially being destroyed or lost here.

It affects those who are at most risk. Because these are the biggest age group of people who are sick. How many people have said they don't want to end up like that in relation to someone old who can't even recognise their own family? Who can't function? These are some of the people those lockdown measures are designed to protect , they are the ones in the group who are dying from this.

Or the ones who are healthy and being told they can't see their family or friends by law. They have to spend their days alone because they keep getting told their family will kill them. Can't go the pub anymore soon , can't enjoy their days how they want to, risk or no risk.

Because despite all of this. With everyone dictating on here and beyond on how we need to shut everything down to protect these people, noone is asking them what they want. Do they want to be locked away? Stopped from going places ? Cut off from their family? It's all just dismissed for their own good. Yet I know a few affected like that, who will suffer from their cut off from the world.

And even you sir are guilty. I noticed your post to @peteblue earlier dismissing what he was saying which is the point. Noone wants to listen, they just want to dictate and protect.

These average 82 aged people dying from this , do you think they want all of this? To destroy their grandkids future, see their family lose their jobs , their homes , their businesses?

None of this is ever taken into account and there has been plenty of 'at risk' people happy to take the risk at their age being told they have to be locked away. Or locked away in a care home , with no idea who they are or be able to do the most basic of functions.

Deep down , these are who lockdown are protecting. Those who either don't want the lockdown or cannot care for themselves.

This isn't speaking for everyone, this is just me reflecting on enough opinions over the past 7 months from family to even radio phone ins to get a general jist of what anyone using their voice is saying.
It's a decision made multiple times a day. Every day people up and down the country are making decisions subject to judicial review, public inquiry and other legal challenge.
 
It's a decision made multiple times a day. Every day people up and down the country are making decisions subject to judicial review, public inquiry and other legal challenge.
What?

Last I heard the northwest was a step away from telling people not to leave their house again. How does that benefit anyone over a certain age like I mentioned?

Yes things are changing, for the worse. Even andy Burnham is considering pushing back on government plans for Manchester same as Middlesbrough have already done. Because constantly changing rules doesn't benefit anyone let alone allow for any logical approach.

Given the pub curfew was what, two weeks ago? And this week will be the shut down of them, that's not even given any time for results of the original plan.

Is that what you mean? That sort of thing?
 
What?

Last I heard the northwest was a step away from telling people not to leave their house again. How does that benefit anyone over a certain age like I mentioned?

Yes things are changing, for the worse. Even andy Burnham is considering pushing back on government plans for Manchester same as Middlesbrough have already done. Because constantly changing rules doesn't benefit anyone let alone allow for any logical approach.

Given the pub curfew was what, two weeks ago? And this week will be the shut down of them, that's not even given any time for results of the original plan.

Is that what you mean? That sort of thing?
Just because decisions are made you don't like doesn't mean those considerations aren't discussed.
 
Just because decisions are made you don't like doesn't mean those considerations aren't discussed.

Let me ask you, why do you not question anything?

Is it entirely possible that some of the measures are not made with a long drawn out plan and are simply knee jerk reactions? That some can be lip service?

I mean Tory MPs are turning on the government about their plans now. Doesn't that tell you something?
 
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