Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Japan has had 1,632 deaths from COVID

We've had 42,760

Their population dwarfs ours and they live in some of the most tightly populated urban metropolis' in the world, yet they're handling this better than us

We should be looking at countries like that, learning what they've done, and trying to emulate it ourselves

I'm not just talking about the government either, I'm talking about us as a population

 

[Prevenger17]

We've had 42,760

That's officially. In reality, it's probably a lot more.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

That's officially. In reality, it's probably a lot more.

Oh don't

This whole thing is depressing enough as it is

 

[Prevenger17]

Oh don't

This whole thing is depressing enough as it is

Soz mate

 

[davek]

Japan has had 1,632 deaths from COVID

We've had 42,760

Their population dwarfs ours and they live in some of the most tightly populated urban metropolis' in the world, yet they're handling this better than us

We should be looking at countries like that, learning what they've done, and trying to emulate it ourselves

I'm not just talking about the government either, I'm talking about us as a population

No discipline. No courtesy. No communal outlook. Thatcher's children. 40 years of being told to fight each other like hyenas for scraps has produced this 'kin rabble today (with apologies to the caring minority who somehow came through unscathed the ideological onslaught of neo-liberalism).

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Japan has had 1,632 deaths from COVID

We've had 42,760

Their population dwarfs ours and they live in some of the most tightly populated urban metropolis' in the world, yet they're handling this better than us

We should be looking at countries like that, learning what they've done, and trying to emulate it ourselves

I'm not just talking about the government either, I'm talking about us as a population

Aye but a lot of countries like Japan and South Korea have been better prepped for this eventually due to the proximity of things like the SARS outbreak. We never thought it could happen here and there is no recent precedent.
Not that I’m excusing the government response after Italy and Spain got hit.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

We've had 42,760

That's only people who have died within 28 days of a positive test.

If you include those where Covid-19 is a cause of death on the Death Certificate it goes up to around 57,000

Absolutely shocking.
No evidence the Tories ever stopped with the Herd Immunity plan. they are just playing to the ICU capacity.
When the Hospitals emptied, they opened the pubs and shops to get it going again. That wasn't enough so they opened the schools and universities, and now we are screwed again

 

[Jebus_lives]

Let me ask you, why do you not question anything?

Is it entirely possible that some of the measures are not made with a long drawn out plan and are simply knee jerk reactions? That some can be lip service?

I mean Tory MPs are turning on the government about their plans now. Doesn't that tell you something?

I question why I keep replying to your posts.

I'm not sure what you think my position is on the government response to Covid19, but to answer your second question - there is no national strategic direction. Everything is made on the hoof. There is no rhyme or reason behind much of the decision making and what decisions 'based on science' are made seem at odds with, general policy.

 

[Igloo1]

Something I haven't heard mentioned when people talk about hospitalisations, but don't we have all these emergency 'nightingale' hospitals still up and running? If so why are people getting so alarmed about hospitalisations? There really isn't any capacity issues.

 

[Kenshin]

That's only people who have died within 28 days of a positive test.

If you include those where Covid-19 is a cause of death on the Death Certificate it goes up to around 57,000

Absolutely shocking.
No evidence the Tories ever stopped with the Herd Immunity plan. they are just playing to the ICU capacity.
When the Hospitals emptied, they opened the pubs and shops to get it going again. That wasn't enough so they opened the schools and universities, and now we are screwed again

Slightly wrong.

There is two counts, one died as a result of covid (for example it killed someone who was already sick) and another which simply lists it as not cause of death which is where the inflated number comes from. The great example of a car crash death, if they test positive they go into column 2, not caused because of covid .

That's how it's meant to work anyway.

 

[Kenshin]

Looking back at the numbers the Spanish Flu killed- was it just normal flu or was it some roided up strain thats never been seen since?

I would argue that the lack of proper hospital treatment due to lack of knowledge played a huge part in that man.

It was over 100 years ago, from a time when coca cola contain cocaine , morphine and whatever else was prescribed as medicine and hospitals didn't understand the term hygiene.

Medical science has moved on a hell of a lot since then. It's like comparing now to the black death in all honesty.

 

[Kenshin]

Something I haven't heard mentioned when people talk about hospitalisations, but don't we have all these emergency 'nightingale' hospitals still up and running? If so why are people getting so alarmed about hospitalisations? There really isn't any capacity issues.

It wasn't used last time either when there was capacity issues.

Makes you wonder why they built it if they were going to leave hospitals full.

 

[JLW]

That's officially. In reality, it's probably a lot more.

Utter bollocks! In reality it a lot less.
Any death within 28 days of testing positive is a covid death regardless of any other severe health issues.

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

I would argue that the lack of proper hospital treatment due to lack of knowledge played a huge part in that man.

It was over 100 years ago, from a time when coca cola contain cocaine , morphine and whatever else was prescribed as medicine and hospitals didn't understand the term hygiene.

Medical science has moved on a hell of a lot since then. It's like comparing now to the black death in all honesty.

The 1918-1920 outbreak was the H1N1 virus, the same virus which caused the 2009 swine flu pandemic, so it's fair to compare the two to see how far medical science has come. Estimates of up to 50,000,000 dead worldwide 100 years ago vs. 280,000 11 years ago. Almost two hundred times the number.

God only knows how bad things would have got if COVID hit the world a century ago.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Hospital Figures - 87 deaths were announced today, up 23 on yesterday and up 36 on last Saturday. 60 deaths were in English hospitals, up 4 on yesterday and up 19 on last week with 55 occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average rises to 51.57

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 81 deaths were announced today, down 6 on yesterday and up 32 on last Saturday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 63.29

For the 60 day cut off, 82 deaths were announced today, down 9 on yesterday and up 32 on last Saturday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 68.43

Those do not look good, can you go back to giving me reassuring numbers please?

These two below don't believe that we need to take preventative measures so I'm sure you can fiddle it to suit our needs to stem the panic. Make sure you also strip out the < 82 year olds as well please as they must have died because of something else. Many thanks.

Something I haven't heard mentioned when people talk about hospitalisations, but don't we have all these emergency 'nightingale' hospitals still up and running? If so why are people getting so alarmed about hospitalisations? There really isn't any capacity issues.

It wasn't used last time either when there was capacity issues.

Makes you wonder why they built it if they were going to leave hospitals full.

We do, so we are better prepared than last time. You still need to have staff for super hospitals as we don't tend to package spare nurses and doctors and put them on shelves for these very occasions. The full lockdown just about managed to kick in time not to need to use these. You have to remember they are a last resort, not an overspill car park to casually dip in and out. If we use them something has gone wrong with policy or the virus has shifted in how it spreads/causes more hospitalisations due to a mutation.

I think you've already forgotten how bad the situation got and why we needed the lockdown in the first place. If it booms the NHS will be struggling, some of the staff get sick, so it becomes more of a struggle. This isn't a joke.