Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Deleted member 48881]

So all pubs and restaurants are to close in Scotland.

I never thought I’d see the day that I’d say well done to Sturgeon..

16 days only?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Sweden ...

That's why Sweden appeals to me. It is a beacon of hope over fear.

Just look at the difference between that video you posted and say the centre of London. The amount of people in their metro compared to the underground. That statement that half of swedes live alone. Move out of Stockholm and it will be tiny towns that probably don't mix a lot.

If you want to compare more like for like you have to go to South Korea where the track and trace have been in the most part excellent. Unfortunately we just don't have the type of people that will follow the procedures properly.

 

[coollino]

So all pubs and restaurants are to close in Scotland.

I never thought I’d see the day that I’d say well done to Sturgeon..

The rules aren't that simple by the looks of things.

What a mess.

 

[orchard]

Thanks for the good news mate.

#1's always been a possibility

Just look at the difference between that video you posted and say the centre of London. The amount of people in their metro compared to the underground. That statement that half of swedes live alone. Move out of Stockholm and it will be tiny towns that probably don't mix a lot.

If you want to compare more like for like you have to go to South Korea where the track and trace have been in the most part excellent. Unfortunately we just don't have the type of people that will follow the procedures properly.

I don't know whether that's true mate, we were great until the government undermined it all.

 

[zzr45]

Care homes remain open and their staff can flit around spreading the disease merrily. Same with the harbingers staffing the hospitals. Time to start making these staff stay put in their places of work or put them in jail. Infection rates would plummet in a week.

 

[Igloo1]

That is simply is not true. Granted it's relatively low risk and the younger you slide down the scale the less risk it becomes. Try telling that only over 60's need to worry to Kate Garraway, her husband was 53. As you get older (even in 30s/40s) things naturally start going wrong with your body.

There have been many reported cases of otherwise healthy people in hospital who are far younger than 60. We also don't know what happens if you get a double dose or flu at the same time? If everyone has it and you spend time with this person and then another and another who are all affected does the exposure change chances of getting a serious bout? You see a high percentage of deaths for medical professionals who are obviously around the virus for long periods. All these questions need to be answered first before you can go with a message of hope.

You can't say it's not true. A professor of Oxford wouldn't say it if it was not true.

Have a look online for this Professor Heneghan from Oxford University. He's director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University.

He's done a lot of video interviews with journalists you can watch and read in newspapers. Here's an example from the Express (from August this one).

"As a million children go back to school, and people start to go back to offices, we need to explain how the risks compare to other risks people may face in life.

For Covid it's incredibly low. People need to understand this. Risk drives our behaviours, and if we don't understand them, then it gives rise to an overcautious - just in case - approach.

“Only if the impact of the disease worsens should we consider putting in local measures shown to slow down the spread of the disease.”

He said we need to learn to live alongside Covid-19 as we can no longer eliminate it. “We need to reorientate our thinking on how to live alongside it.

“Right now, we are seeing below average excess deaths for all causes for the eighth week in a row. The messaging stay at home save lives throughout the pandemic led people to be more fearful than they have ever been, one can say it worked too well, but the current data shows it is currently safer to go out than it has ever been."

He also said emerging evidence recently assessed by he and his colleague Professor Thomas Jefferson, also from the Oxford University Centre for Evidence Based Medicine showed covid testing is so sensitive it could pick up traces of previous infection long after recovery which could artificially inflate the numbers of positive cases.

Professor Jefferson said: “We need to de-terrorise the population. We have to explain to people the true nature of the threat - what we do and what we don’t know about it.”

 

[-Rob-]

if you're under 60 and have no health problems the virus isn't a threat to you.

That is simply is not true. Granted it's relatively low risk

Binman, quickest contradiction I've seen in a long time. You try to say it's simply not true then admit well actually yeah, it's low risk.
Here's the evidence from the ONS showing the mortality rates by age in England in June (latest available stats they have on ages).
As you can see, deaths of people under 65 don't even register on the graph as the numbers are so small.
Obviously it's a threat to absolutely everyone but so if nuclear war and being hit by an asteroid. It's not something that should cause you to be out of work or staying at home or not being able to see your friends and family. I'm 45 and all of those have been forced on me. I work in an industry that has pretty much been shut down and government advice is that I retrain and get a better job yet according to the stats below, the covid risk to me personally is pretty damn small and if I'm happy to wear a mask and wash my hands, which I am, then I should be very small risk to others as well.



Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...id19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020

 

[davek]

Who are these people?

Libertarians, anti-vaxers, anti-*hoaxers*.

Plenty of them on here by the look of it.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Thanks for the good news mate.

#1's always been a possibility


I don't know whether that's true mate, we were great until the government undermined it all.

Yes the message has been crap.

You can't say it's not true. A professor of Oxford wouldn't say it if it was not true.

Have a look online for this Professor Heneghan from Oxford University. He's director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University.

He's done a lot of video interviews with journalists you can watch and read in newspapers. Here's an example from the Express (from August this one).

So he can't have vested interests or just be plain wrong? The chief medical officers that stood next to the PM in March /April/May and so on saying there is no risk of infection outdoors. Stadiums weren't an issue as long as you wash your hands? Yeah right. Bloody obvious a virus transmits through airborne particles. They didn't want a panic and they wanted heard immunity. Do you think they should tell the truth too?

Binman, quickest contradiction I've seen in a long time. You try to say it's simply not true then admit well actually yeah, it's low risk.
Here's the evidence from the ONS showing the mortality rates by age in England in June (latest available stats they have on ages).
As you can see, deaths of people under 65 don't even register on the graph as the numbers are so small.
Obviously it's a threat to absolutely everyone but so if nuclear war and being hit by an asteroid. It's not something that should cause you to be out of work or staying at home or not being able to see your friends and family. I'm 45 and all of those have been forced on me. I work in an industry that has pretty much been shut down and government advice is that I retrain and get a better job yet according to the stats below, the covid risk to me personally is pretty damn small and if I'm happy to wear a mask and wash my hands, which I am, then I should be very small risk to others as well.

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Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...id19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020

Read his quote and mine again mate. Difference between isn't a threat and some threat however small.

 

[davids]

The fact that health professionals worldwide tens of thousands,maybe hundreds of thousands,all telling the same lies, amazing.

 

[-Rob-]

Yes the message has been crap.



So he can't have vested interests or just be plain wrong? The chief medical officers that stood next to the PM in March /April/May and so on saying there is no risk of infection outdoors. Stadiums weren't an issue as long as you wash your hands? Yeah right. Bloody obvious a virus transmits through airborne particles. They didn't want a panic and they wanted heard immunity. Do you think they should tell the truth too?



Read his quote and mine again mate. Difference between isn't a threat and some threat however small.

Semantics. Anything that can kill you is technically a threat but obviously what he meant was it's not a threat you need to worry about.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...id19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune202

This just shows deaths, and not complications and serious consequences of having the disease. These are pretty significant items when looking at it as a whole.

I'm sorry the work that you are in has been hit hard but allowing everything to go back to normal will eventually shut down all multi person events and you'll be screwed that way. In your situation I would hope they could bring in a universal wage/mortgage/rent deferrals. To help until this has been contained. Eventually you should get to a point where the backlog of events gives you a bumper year to help claw back lost income.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Semantics. Anything that can kill you is technically a threat but obviously what he meant was it's not a threat you need to worry about.

You do have to worry about it though, have you not got older family? Bejesus.

 

[Toast]

The rules aren't that simple by the looks of things.

What a mess.

I’ve just read more about the rules.
Indeed very messy.
I initially thought she’d gone full closure across the board, which is why I was giving her credit.
Sleepwalking into a winter of misery we are.

 

[Goat]

Care homes remain open and their staff can flit around spreading the disease merrily. Same with the harbingers staffing the hospitals. Time to start making these staff stay put in their places of work or put them in jail. Infection rates would plummet in a week.

My daughter is just willy nilly living her life, its a disgrace.

After this post I'm going to lock her in her room.