Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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So month on month they have increased testing, moving from only essential to anyone and everyone who wants one.

This coincides with a second wave of the virus .

Surely a coincidence right? They have found more cases after testing more people with more scenarios required to make people have a test.

What if the numbers have not really changed at all, we just know more of them? The only reason why students and under 40s suddenly have started getting it is because they weren't grouped together that much before? Now they are in university and as if by magic, their numbers jumped up.

I know some of you take stock in the guess how many cases there are method rather than find out. But what if we haven't seen an increase in cases since July? We are just testing more of them now?
 
Kenshin said:
So month on month they have increased testing, moving from only essential to anyone and everyone who wants one.

This coincides with a second wave of the virus .

Surely a coincidence right? They have found more cases after testing more people with more scenarios required to make people have a test.

What if the numbers have not really changed at all, we just know more of them? The only reason why students and under 40s suddenly have started getting it is because they weren't grouped together that much before? Now they are in university and as if by magic, their numbers jumped up.

I know some of you take stock in the guess how many cases there are method rather than find out. But what if we haven't seen an increase in cases since July? We are just testing more of them now?
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I'm not sure why you've framed a routine question like a YouTube consistency theorist.

But 3 points I'd make:
  • Testing without coordinated systems to manage the results is a bit pointless. It's the equivalent of congratulating yourself for mopping 100 litres of water while you've still got the leaking pipe.
  • Testing has increased and it's more targeted now. It's not really available to anyone who wants one.
  • Don't trust the reporting data too much.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I'm not sure why you've framed a routine question like a YouTube consistency theorist.

But 3 points I'd make:
  • Testing without coordinated systems to manage the results is a bit pointless. It's the equivalent of congratulating yourself for mopping 100 litres of water while you've still got the leaking pipe.
  • Testing has increased and it's more targeted now. It's not really available to anyone who wants one.
  • Don't trust the reporting data too much.
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What's a 'youtube question'?!

That may all be well and true. I'm not suggesting we should have tested everyone on day one of the lockdown.

But merely thinking that perhaps this second wave is a fabrication of media and politician speak. Maybe the numbers havent changed , we know they are less than 6 months ago even without testing everyone then.

For example we didn't start testing students until they went back to uni. Logically yes they have spread it amongst themselves but perhaps that same age group has been consistent anyway, just without a test done prior to this?

Or better put. This whole can't go to someone's house nonsense now In fear of killing us all. We were allowed to back in July / August and numbers didn't rise. It was only when testing increased , more people went back to work and more industries opened back up that this rise of cases happened. So either the issue with positive tests is caused by everywhere currently legal to go to and not the one place illegal, which is a valid point. Or more of the age groups now testing positive just weren't being tested before as there was no reason to do that/ means to do it.
 
Kenshin said:
What's a 'youtube question'?!

That may all be well and true. I'm not suggesting we should have tested everyone on day one of the lockdown.

But merely thinking that perhaps this second wave is a fabrication of media and politician speak. Maybe the numbers havent changed , we know they are less than 6 months ago even without testing everyone then.

For example we didn't start testing students until they went back to uni. Logically yes they have spread it amongst themselves but perhaps that same age group has been consistent anyway, just without a test done prior to this?

Or better put. This whole can't go to someone's house nonsense now In fear of killing us all. We were allowed to back in July / August and numbers didn't rise. It was only when testing increased , more people went back to work and more industries opened back up that this rise of cases happened. So either the issue with positive tests is caused by everywhere currently legal to go to and not the one place illegal, which is a valid point. Or more of the age groups now testing positive just weren't being tested before as there was no reason to do that/ means to do it.
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The basis of your argument is a misnomer. It takes time to spread through the population. When it was hitting China and Italy it didn't come here and go from nothing to everything in a few days. It was possibly here from the start of the year, perhaps even before Christmas.

We had a whole lockdown to reset the clock and have the 2m/1m+ rule and face coverings to help prevent a quick return to what happened in March/April. However you can see hospitalisations and deaths are starting to creep up again, this will only increase as we approach winter. People are not taking this seriously and they are delaying their own return to normality.
 
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It's buzzwords.

Remember back in June and it was the Kawasaki like disease killing kids ?

Where did that go? Why did they suddenly stop happening? Did it have anything to do with the fact it was a real illness anyway and it was a very loose connection to covid to scare people into thinking their kids could die from covid another way?
 
The binman chronicles said:
The basis of your argument is a misnomer. It takes time to spread through the population. When it was hitting China and Italy it didn't come here and go from nothing to everything in a few days. It was possibly here from the start of the year, perhaps even before Christmas.

We had a whole lockdown to reset the clock and have the 2m/1m+ rule and face coverings to help prevent a quick return to what happened in March/April. However you can see hospitalisations and deaths are starting to creep up again, this will only increase as we approach winter. People are not taking this seriously and they are delaying their own return to normality.
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The one flaw to this idea that it was here before we knew about it was that people weren't getting seriously ill on the same level as happened back in march. Deaths didn't increase to such a large extent and hasn't since, even now with these thousands of cases , deaths aren't following suit. We are 3-4 weeks now into this massive increase in cases and the numbers aren't reflecting.

I still think there were far more cases back in April than is guessed now. For that level of deaths, you would need a lot of people to have the virus to spread it so quickly. I personally don't think this was a long time coming, it just spread very quickly in a population (s) that didn't expect it to exist until it did.
 
Kenshin said:
What's a 'youtube question'?!

That may all be well and true. I'm not suggesting we should have tested everyone on day one of the lockdown.

But merely thinking that perhaps this second wave is a fabrication of media and politician speak. Maybe the numbers havent changed , we know they are less than 6 months ago even without testing everyone then.

For example we didn't start testing students until they went back to uni. Logically yes they have spread it amongst themselves but perhaps that same age group has been consistent anyway, just without a test done prior to this?

Or better put. This whole can't go to someone's house nonsense now In fear of killing us all. We were allowed to back in July / August and numbers didn't rise. It was only when testing increased , more people went back to work and more industries opened back up that this rise of cases happened. So either the issue with positive tests is caused by everywhere currently legal to go to and not the one place illegal, which is a valid point. Or more of the age groups now testing positive just weren't being tested before as there was no reason to do that/ means to do it.
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No idea what a YouTube question is.

However a YouTube conspiracy theorist generally seems to ask a lot of simply answered questions in a sensationalist and misleading manner.
 
Kenshin said:
What's a 'youtube question'?!

That may all be well and true. I'm not suggesting we should have tested everyone on day one of the lockdown.

But merely thinking that perhaps this second wave is a fabrication of media and politician speak. Maybe the numbers havent changed , we know they are less than 6 months ago even without testing everyone then.

For example we didn't start testing students until they went back to uni. Logically yes they have spread it amongst themselves but perhaps that same age group has been consistent anyway, just without a test done prior to this?

Or better put. This whole can't go to someone's house nonsense now In fear of killing us all. We were allowed to back in July / August and numbers didn't rise. It was only when testing increased , more people went back to work and more industries opened back up that this rise of cases happened. So either the issue with positive tests is caused by everywhere currently legal to go to and not the one place illegal, which is a valid point. Or more of the age groups now testing positive just weren't being tested before as there was no reason to do that/ means to do it.
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The simplest way to explain it is that the longer you spend in a confined space with people, the more likely you are to get it.

The housing rules seem more targeted towards reducing contact with multiple generations rather than a worry about the specific numbers, but the obvious scenario applies that if you are in a household with one family (mum, dad two kids) and grandparents that six could possibly spread it widely among friends, other siblings, in laws etc.
 
Kenshin said:
The one flaw to this idea that it was here before we knew about it was that people weren't getting seriously ill on the same level as happened back in march. Deaths didn't increase to such a large extent and hasn't since, even now with these thousands of cases , deaths aren't following suit. We are 3-4 weeks now into this massive increase in cases and the numbers aren't reflecting.

I still think there were far more cases back in April than is guessed now. For that level of deaths, you would need a lot of people to have the virus to spread it so quickly. I personally don't think this was a long time coming, it just spread very quickly in a population (s) that didn't expect it to exist until it did.
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That first paragraph re-enforces what I'm saying though. You will have had one or two people go to that region of China last year, pick it up and bring it back. It would only slowly move through their close contacts. It may have finished off a nan or grandad and be chalked down to seasonal flu at the time. There wasn't a great influx then, if you have very few infected it takes ages to go through.

You saw I think it was after Chinese New Year that a mass return to Italy started the ramp up there where you have more people who infect more people then the cycle accelerates. International travel then started moving it en masse.

The number of cases will be higher now than before, because more people are being tested and a lot might be asymptomatic. Don't look at those, look at the hospitalisations and deaths. They are rising despite not being/start of the cold and flu season. This is with the protection measures in place. Had we abandoned these then those numbers would already be sky high.
 
Kenshin said:
It's buzzwords.

Remember back in June and it was the Kawasaki like disease killing kids ?

Where did that go? Why did they suddenly stop happening? Did it have anything to do with the fact it was a real illness anyway and it was a very loose connection to covid to scare people into thinking their kids could die from covid another way?
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PIMS-TS is still around it hasn't suddenly stopped happening. It was similar in symptoms to Kawasaki disease but not the same. General opinion is that it is linked to Covid19 as around 45 out of 58* kids tested had signs of Covid19 antibodies.

It would appear that it is a overreaction of the immune system to Covid19 (though as yet I think unconfirmed).

*From memory.
 
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