Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

I do like the stamina of the it’s all a hoax / life must go on brigade, whether it’s over this or Brexit or how much they hated that Corbs

 

[orchard]

A ‘covid death’ is classed as someone who dies within 28 days of a positive test regardless of any other health issues.
People who have died who tested positive of Covid doesn’t mean they died because of it! All the figures and reports state that X amount died having tested positive.
it’s alarming that people are buying this crap.

Yeah, I can really see two medics signing off a fatal rta as caused by Covid. 'kin experts, eh?

 

[JLW]

Yeah, I can really see two medics signing off a fatal rta as caused by Covid. 'kin experts, eh?

Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths – UK Health Security Agency

Although it might seem straightforward, counting the number of people who have died from COVID-19 related illness is complex. In this blog, Professor John Newton explains why we have taken the approach we have to date and how this will

publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk

 

[Prevenger17]

A ‘covid death’ is classed as someone who dies within 28 days of a positive test regardless of any other health issues.
People who have died who tested positive of Covid doesn’t mean they died because of it! All the figures and reports state that X amount died having tested positive.
it’s alarming that people are buying this crap.

If Covid had nothing to do with a lot of these deaths, then the 60,000+ extra people in the UK who have suddenly died compared to the national average is quite the statistical anomaly isn't it? Mad coincidence that the UKs death rate has shot up something like 7% during a supposed pandemic that epidemiologists told us would kill people

 

[ToffeeTim]

The issue with a second lockdown is that it won't be short. They keep talking "circuit breakers" but we will take ages to move forward again if we do another lockdown. All we have learnt is that it's much quicker going into lockdown than coming out.

If the only option advisors or experts can give is full lockdown or something close to it, then we need to get new advisors. It's becoming patronising to people who are staring at potential redundancy this winter.

 

[JLW]

Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths – UK Health Security Agency

Although it might seem straightforward, counting the number of people who have died from COVID-19 related illness is complex. In this blog, Professor John Newton explains why we have taken the approach we have to date and how this will

publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk

They’re guessing FFS

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's still ignoring the point though that cases did not start going up until more people started leaving their house and going elsewhere.
I'm not. Nobody is. It's just blindingly obvious. It's not even up for debate.

Keep saying you can't social distance at homes etc but the fact is cases stayed low UNTIL people started going back to work, the pub , out to town more etc.
You can distance in homes. Nobody is saying you can't. What you can't do is legislate or enforce distancing in homes.

Like I said last week, 2/3 of my office was wiped out because of one test. None of them had been to said persons house.
And?

The longer the house thing is kept as the focal point of restrictions, the less chance of reducing the numbers the government has. It defies what has actually happened and it's obvious that it's not houses that are the issue. It's the everywhere else that is legal to do, in groups of 6 no less.
It's a mitigation. One of a number of mitigations. It isn't the only mitigation in place. And other mitigation is balanced against the need to maintain economy Vs public health. It doesn't 'defy' what is actually happening (whatever that means).

As I said the more we avoid the actual reason why the numbers are increasing, the less likely of them dropping will be.
You don't know why the numbers are increasing. By and large it's speculation at this point. There are different causes and reasons in different areas, not a national rule.

Ok you need 100%, thats proof of a connection. I remember reading all about the Kawasaki thing back in June and they were only hitting 50% testing positive , but still trying to make a connection. That's not how things work. Half of cases is circumstantial, not evidential.
The connection was made based upon a high percentage of children with the PIMS-TS symptoms having presentation of Covid19 antibodies. The symptoms of Kawasaki disease mean it's harder to define a pathway because it could be either and it's unknown if Covid19 is the cause, but evidence suggests yes.

As for the second point, yeah underlying health conditions. Which means covid would play a much smaller role in 'killing' than is being portrayed. It would insinuate that covid would therefore be acting like any other virus would in the human body without a vaccine and therefore provide just as much a threat as anything else. The only difference being the others are vaccinated and medicine treated.
Likelihood x impact. Would your underlying health condition kill you immediately without Covid19? No. Would they kill you if you get it? Probably. There are a range of factors that contribute to why it's more harmful and why it's more likely you'll get it than 'other viruses' (I note you haven't specified which ones) including likely spread and vaccine.

Deep down the issue isn't covid-19, it's the lack of vaccine. Can this country really shut down every 6 months until a vaccine is created ? Apparently scientists say we could be years away. If the age groups are sick and old for the vaccine as well, well that's not a fair price go pay for destroying a young person's life in the here and now is it?
Deep down the issue is still Covid19, vaccine or not. The country needn't shut down every 6 months. A functioning track and trace and better public health messaging would help, as would the thought that you can legislate away a virus.

I don't really go in for eugenics so the last point I'm not going to agree with. But 'sick' is a moveable feast as is 'old' in who this vaccine impacts.

Again, 'apparently scientists' are saying years away? Are they really...

 

[Jebus_lives]

Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths – UK Health Security Agency

Although it might seem straightforward, counting the number of people who have died from COVID-19 related illness is complex. In this blog, Professor John Newton explains why we have taken the approach we have to date and how this will

publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk

They’re guessing FFS

An article about the complexity of reporting and assessment and you draw that conclusion

 

[orchard]

Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths – UK Health Security Agency

Although it might seem straightforward, counting the number of people who have died from COVID-19 related illness is complex. In this blog, Professor John Newton explains why we have taken the approach we have to date and how this will

publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk

And?

 

[orchard]

An article about the complexity of reporting and assessment and you draw that conclusion

He didn't draw that conclusion, it was spoon fed to him.

 

[tsubaki]

The issue with a second lockdown is that it won't be short. They keep talking "circuit breakers" but we will take ages to move forward again if we do another lockdown. All we have learnt is that it's much quicker going into lockdown than coming out.

If the only option advisors or experts can give is full lockdown or something close to it, then we need to get new advisors. It's becoming patronising to people who are staring at potential redundancy this winter.

The problem is not the advice, it’s the situation that leads to the advice.

Without an effective track and trace setup, full lockdowns are the only alternative to letting the virus run through the population and having tens / hundreds of thousands of deaths.

A competent regime would have organised that, and we would be able to struggle past this as many other countries have. Ours is incompetent and so here we are, facing the choice between sacrificing parents and grandparents or economic ruin.

 

[Kenshin]

If Covid had nothing to do with a lot of these deaths, then the 60,000+ extra people in the UK who have suddenly died compared to the national average is quite the statistical anomaly isn't it? Mad coincidence that the UKs death rate has shot up something like 7% during a supposed pandemic that epidemiologists told us would kill people

You do know that other types of deaths related to age have magically dropped in the meantime by hundreds and average deaths per week have dropped for a while by 15% as well.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

A ‘covid death’ is classed as someone who dies within 28 days of a positive test regardless of any other health issues.
People who have died who tested positive of Covid doesn’t mean they died because of it! All the figures and reports state that X amount died having tested positive.
it’s alarming that people are buying this crap.

It doesn't make any difference though cos the death rate is the real barometer. If there are 52,000 more deaths this year than last (which there are), then you can pretty much bank on those figures being roughly correct for Covid deaths.

 

[Prevenger17]

It doesn't make any difference though cos the death rate is the real barometer. If there are 52,000 more deaths this year than last (which there are), then you can pretty much bank on those figures being roughly correct for Covid deaths.

52,000 careless drivers imo

 

[orchard]

52,000 careless drivers imo

2000 tripped over EU red-tape, Corbyn killed a few for the Russians and 7000 died trying to find out where their newspaper had got to.