Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kenshin]

No idea what a YouTube question is.

However a YouTube conspiracy theorist generally seems to ask a lot of simply answered questions in a sensationalist and misleading manner.

What's sensationalist about what I said? Or misleading? We literally weren't testing anyone for 2 months and only limited tested for the next couple.

So we literally do not have that information to mislead with? All we are left with is guesses and opinions.

The simplest way to explain it is that the longer you spend in a confined space with people, the more likely you are to get it.

The housing rules seem more targeted towards reducing contact with multiple generations rather than a worry about the specific numbers, but the obvious scenario applies that if you are in a household with one family (mum, dad two kids) and grandparents that six could possibly spread it widely among friends, other siblings, in laws etc.

But that works much the same with a cold , or the flu? In fact any positive test has a very high chance of spreading within a household between family members anyway. In fact more than one person has posted in here detailing how one case in their house has spread to others.

When you literally make it illegal to go to someone's house then you are (government) saying that is the root cause. So going on the basis that these cases did creep up since August September.

More people went back to work
Pubs / gyms opened
Schools / universities opened

Suddenly cases started rising. It's more than common sense to suggest that is your problem and therefore just making it illegal to go to someone else's house is not solving anything in terms of reducing numbers , masks or no masks.

To be honest , the more the household idea is repeated, the longer the government can go without addressing the issue directly. Plus it's the one thing most likely to be broken anyway , people will still be going to different houses despite the law saying otherwise.

The longer the bigger issue and bigger solution are ignored, the more damage that will be done in the short term.

 

[Charro]

In a perfect world we don't. Life isn't perfect.

Don’t see why we should just accept massive job loses and people losing their livelihoods.

It’s a reaction to a pandemic, yes, but the extent it’s happening in this country is very worrying.

The chancellor telling these people they should retrain for other jobs tells you the support arts and entertainment will receive from this government.

There has to be a better solution. Over time the future of a generation of people will have to take on more importance.

 

[Kenshin]

PIMS-TS is still around it hasn't suddenly stopped happening. It was similar in symptoms to Kawasaki disease but not the same. General opinion is that it is linked to Covid19 as around 45 out of 58* kids tested had signs of Covid19 antibodies.

It would appear that it is a overreaction of the immune system to Covid19 (though as yet I think unconfirmed).

*From memory.

Surely if you want to connect one thing to another though you kinda need 100% or thereabouts as proof?

Otherwise that suggests something else could be at play to cause it?

Not necessarily something I would run with as an opinion but is it possible covid-19 can act more like a catalyst rather than directly affect? That a person isn't dying from covid-19, but the covid simply instigates other issues such as pneumonia/infections?

 

[Jebus_lives]

What's sensationalist about what I said? Or misleading? We literally weren't testing anyone for 2 months and only limited tested for the next couple.

So we literally do not have that information to mislead with? All we are left with is guesses and opinions.



But that works much the same with a cold , or the flu? In fact any positive test has a very high chance of spreading within a household between family members anyway. In fact more than one person has posted in here detailing how one case in their house has spread to others.

When you literally make it illegal to go to someone's house then you are (government) saying that is the root cause. So going on the basis that these cases did creep up since August September.

More people went back to work
Pubs / gyms opened
Schools / universities opened

Suddenly cases started rising. It's more than common sense to suggest that is your problem and therefore just making it illegal to go to someone else's house is not solving anything in terms of reducing numbers , masks or no masks.

To be honest , the more the household idea is repeated, the longer the government can go without addressing the issue directly. Plus it's the one thing most likely to be broken anyway , people will still be going to different houses despite the law saying otherwise.

The longer the bigger issue and bigger solution are ignored, the more damage that will be done in the short term.

It's the style of questioning. And the picking and choosing of information to suit your point.

For example you made a truthful statement about 'Kawasaki like disease' in your previous post. But then launched into saying it went away - it didn't/hasn't. Why did it stop suddenly happening - it hasn't. Then a general completely unsubstantiated statement about it being used (unattributed to any individual, organisation or agenda just 'they') to scare people into compliance and then a conflation of 'it' being a real illness.

Its half truth framed in the language of conspiracy theory rhetoric. There is no need.

 

[Walken]

Didn't they base their strategy around the UK one that was written after 9/11? The one the tories left to rot for 10 years

 

[Walken]

I'd imagine this is just a fact of logistics. You can't vaccinate 65 million in just a few weeks. So it stands to reason you target the most vulnerable first.



To get virus induced ME (which I had/have) you need a real nasty virus, well this looks to be the worst one seen in our lifetimes and it spreads like wildfire. So ergo with the amount of population getting this it must increase the risk of an ME crisis in its wake.



I assume by this you mean cancer patients etc.? This is of course difficult but if the virus gets out of hand and the hospitals have no capacity as they are full with covid patients then there won't be any treatments for anything else. You will have heart attack victims and whatnot taken to hospital but then they'll have a real risk of catching covid while convalescing .

I think all but one of the vaccines in phase 3 require a two part vaccination and also very cold storage and transport facilities, adding to logistical issues. Given that the UK has shown itself to be as adaptable as a sam alladyce tactics board expect us to be way behind everyone else

 

[Jebus_lives]

What's sensationalist about what I said? Or misleading? We literally weren't testing anyone for 2 months and only limited tested for the next couple.

So we literally do not have that information to mislead with? All we are left with is guesses and opinions.



But that works much the same with a cold , or the flu? In fact any positive test has a very high chance of spreading within a household between family members anyway. In fact more than one person has posted in here detailing how one case in their house has spread to others.

When you literally make it illegal to go to someone's house then you are (government) saying that is the root cause. So going on the basis that these cases did creep up since August September.

More people went back to work
Pubs / gyms opened
Schools / universities opened

Suddenly cases started rising. It's more than common sense to suggest that is your problem and therefore just making it illegal to go to someone else's house is not solving anything in terms of reducing numbers , masks or no masks.

To be honest , the more the household idea is repeated, the longer the government can go without addressing the issue directly. Plus it's the one thing most likely to be broken anyway , people will still be going to different houses despite the law saying otherwise.

The longer the bigger issue and bigger solution are ignored, the more damage that will be done in the short term.

This isn't how root cause works.

The household rules are a mitigation to a present risk. The aim is to limit households from spreading infection amount them due to a lack of applicable legislation covering how people can act in their own homes.

You can stipulate spot inspection in work places, regulate for specific social distancing measures. It's much harder to do that in homes, hence the 'rule of 6' and no mixing of households. It's designed to stop mixing in an uncontrolled way rather than enforce it once its happening.

 

[Walken]

Sweden ...

Funny how the us want to adopt the Swedish covid tactics but call the political and social decisions that make their strategy possible an evil form of communism

 

[Jebus_lives]

Surely if you want to connect one thing to another though you kinda need 100% or thereabouts as proof?

Otherwise that suggests something else could be at play to cause it?

Not necessarily something I would run with as an opinion but is it possible covid-19 can act more like a catalyst rather than directly affect? That a person isn't dying from covid-19, but the covid simply instigates other issues such as pneumonia/infections?

Kinda need 100% or do need 100% or thereabouts? I'm not sure what you mean here.

The second point would be 'underlying health conditions'. And it does act in that way. Again, what's your point?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Funny how the us want to adopt the Swedish covid tactics but call the political and social decisions that make their strategy possible an evil form of communism

We need a Sweden style system. Or let's adopt the political ideology that supports that decision making.

Communism!!!

 

[tsubaki]

Just had one of those “possible Coronavirus exposure” alerts via the app. It really does just disappear when you click on it.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The Covid debate has become as tedious as the Brexit one.

Only thing that makes me laugh is when the big wigs who get ill like Trump, Boris etc. Seem to always come out if it regardless of age - lets be honest they probably have the drugs to treat the thing but cost/supply means its limited for us peasants.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Sweden ...

We've been through this before. Sweden is out on a limb has a small population, not swamped by tourists or used as a transit hub. It simply cannot be used as a comparison. Each country needs it's own response tailored to what goes on within its borders.

People think that the government don't want to open up and they in some way take pleasure in this. But it's the complete opposite. This government has been too keen. They knew back in March that crowds would cause problems but their initial strategy of herd immunity depended on people getting it. You could have been sat at Goodison in March while someone 3/4 rows back sneezed and then the droplets slammed back in your face via the wind.

It was only when it bit them on the arse did they realise it wasn't something that could work or be continued with. Hence the full lockdown.

 

[Kenshin]

This isn't how root cause works.

The household rules are a mitigation to a present risk. The aim is to limit households from spreading infection amount them due to a lack of applicable legislation covering how people can act in their own homes.

You can stipulate spot inspection in work places, regulate for specific social distancing measures. It's much harder to do that in homes, hence the 'rule of 6' and no mixing of households. It's designed to stop it altogether rather than enforce it once its happening.

It's still ignoring the point though that cases did not start going up until more people started leaving their house and going elsewhere.

Keep saying you can't social distance at homes etc but the fact is cases stayed low UNTIL people started going back to work, the pub , out to town more etc.

Like I said last week, 2/3 of my office was wiped out because of one test. None of them had been to said persons house.

The longer the house thing is kept as the focal point of restrictions, the less chance of reducing the numbers the government has. It defies what has actually happened and it's obvious that it's not houses that are the issue. It's the everywhere else that is legal to do, in groups of 6 no less.

As I said the more we avoid the actual reason why the numbers are increasing, the less likely of them dropping will be.

Kinda need 100% or do need 100% or thereabouts? I'm not sure what you mean here.

The second point would be 'underlying health conditions'. And it does act in that way. Again, what's your point?

Ok you need 100%, thats proof of a connection. I remember reading all about the Kawasaki thing back in June and they were only hitting 50% testing positive , but still trying to make a connection. That's not how things work. Half of cases is circumstantial, not evidential.

As for the second point, yeah underlying health conditions. Which means covid would play a much smaller role in 'killing' than is being portrayed. It would insinuate that covid would therefore be acting like any other virus would in the human body without a vaccine and therefore provide just as much a threat as anything else. The only difference being the others are vaccinated and medicine treated.

Deep down the issue isn't covid-19, it's the lack of vaccine. Can this country really shut down every 6 months until a vaccine is created ? Apparently scientists say we could be years away. If the age groups are sick and old for the vaccine as well, well that's not a fair price go pay for destroying a young person's life in the here and now is it?

 

[JLW]

A ‘covid death’ is classed as someone who dies within 28 days of a positive test regardless of any other health issues.
People who have died who tested positive of Covid doesn’t mean they died because of it! All the figures and reports state that X amount died having tested positive.
it’s alarming that people are buying this crap.