Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[zzr45]

My daughter is just willy nilly living her life, its a disgrace.

After this post I'm going to lock her in her room.

I've already done more to prevent the spread than the current government. Quitting while I'm ahead.

 

[Kenshin]

Binman, quickest contradiction I've seen in a long time. You try to say it's simply not true then admit well actually yeah, it's low risk.
Here's the evidence from the ONS showing the mortality rates by age in England in June (latest available stats they have on ages).
As you can see, deaths of people under 65 don't even register on the graph as the numbers are so small.
Obviously it's a threat to absolutely everyone but so if nuclear war and being hit by an asteroid. It's not something that should cause you to be out of work or staying at home or not being able to see your friends and family. I'm 45 and all of those have been forced on me. I work in an industry that has pretty much been shut down and government advice is that I retrain and get a better job yet according to the stats below, the covid risk to me personally is pretty damn small and if I'm happy to wear a mask and wash my hands, which I am, then I should be very small risk to others as well.

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Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...id19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020

This is what people just dismiss , the cold hard statistics about this.

The minute you can show it you get another thing thrown back at you, currently is long covid as this month's buzzword.

Which is why I keep suggesting that anyone under a certain age should be much less restricted with the protection aimed at those who are at risk.

Instead everyone is treated the same and that causes job losses, business collapses/struggling/ mental health issues / homes lost etc.

Because the thing is , this virus is inevitable. No matter how much you do besides locking your door and ever going out , you may get it at any time. You may not even know you have it.

At some point you can't live in fear of something that won't kill you , no matter how many buzzwords you use to put fear into everyone. A

 

[The binman chronicles]

This is what people just dismiss , the cold hard statistics about this.

The minute you can show it you get another thing thrown back at you, currently is long covid as this month's buzzword.

Which is why I keep suggesting that anyone under a certain age should be much less restricted with the protection aimed at those who are at risk.

Instead everyone is treated the same and that causes job losses, business collapses/struggling/ mental health issues / homes lost etc.

Because the thing is , this virus is inevitable. No matter how much you do besides locking your door and ever going out , you may get it at any time. You may not even know you have it.

At some point you can't live in fear of something that won't kill you , no matter how many buzzwords you use to put fear into everyone. A

You're another orphan then. The selfishness is off the scale. You want to help, tell people not to be dicks when out and how they mix with others.

 

[-Rob-]

You do have to worry about it though, have you not got older family? Bejesus.

My parents are in their 70s and I haven't seen them since February. They haven't seen any family for 7 or 8 months, they've had other people doing their shopping, they've had 3 holidays cancelled.

So I'm out of work to protect the elderly but the only elderly people I'd usually see I'm staying away from to protect them.

 

[-Rob-]

You're another orphan then.

WTF is that meant to mean? That is a truly brain dead comment.

 

[Goat]

This is what people just dismiss , the cold hard statistics about this.

The minute you can show it you get another thing thrown back at you, currently is long covid as this month's buzzword.

Which is why I keep suggesting that anyone under a certain age should be much less restricted with the protection aimed at those who are at risk.

Instead everyone is treated the same and that causes job losses, business collapses/struggling/ mental health issues / homes lost etc.

Because the thing is , this virus is inevitable. No matter how much you do besides locking your door and ever going out , you may get it at any time. You may not even know you have it.

At some point you can't live in fear of something that won't kill you , no matter how many buzzwords you use to put fear into everyone. A

Who picks the age?

What age group would you lock up for ever?

My mother is 64, does she make your cull? My Father in law is 70, does he make your cull? Hes still working as well, should he just give up his job cos he doesn't fit your criteria?

I have no idea what long covid is, but I do know that a 31 year old who was fit and healthy is currently in her 4th week off work in my missus place, she has just been signed off for another 2 weeks, so maybe the cut off point should be 30?

But hey, it wont affect you, so you don't care, lets just let everybody over the age of 30 die.

 

[Goat]

My parents are in their 70s and I haven't seen them since February. They haven't seen any family for 7 or 8 months, they've had other people doing their shopping, they've had 3 holidays cancelled.

So I'm out of work to protect the elderly but the only elderly people I'd usually see I'm staying away from to protect them.

Maybe if some of the mouth breathers in this thread took it a bit more seriously you wouldn't have to lock up your parents.

 

[The binman chronicles]

My parents are in their 70s and I haven't seen them since February. They haven't seen any family for 7 or 8 months, they've had other people doing their shopping, they've had 3 holidays cancelled.

So I'm out of work to protect the elderly but the only elderly people I'd usually see I'm staying away from to protect them.

I'm sorry you haven't seen them. I'm in the same boat. My parents still go out shopping but I won't be seeing them while I have one in school and one in nursery. It is fairly likely I will be getting it at somepoint.

However old our parents/relations/friends are they deserve to be looked after and not be thrown on the heap.

The governments mixed messages and the populations inability to follow fairly simple rules has caused this. There wouldn't be a spread and need for further restrictions otherwise. We all had to live with it, but as soon as lockdown was over people thought it was fine to behave if there wasn't anything out there.

 

[The binman chronicles]

WTF is that meant to mean? That is a truly brain dead comment.

Yep totally brain dead me.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Who picks the age?

What age group would you lock up for ever?

My mother is 64, does she make your cull? My Father in law is 70, does he make your cull? Hes still working as well, should he just give up his job cos he doesn't fit your criteria?

I have no idea what long covid is, but I do know that a 31 year old who was fit and healthy is currently in her 4th week off work in my missus place, she has just been signed off for another 2 weeks, so maybe the cut off point should be 30?

But hey, it wont affect you, so you don't care, lets just let everybody over the age of 30 die.

It's essentially where the symptoms/damage done by covid stay dormant within the body then resurface further down the line then resulting in problems such as lung scarring and internal damage and now they are even talking about possible M.E. type effects.

 

[Kenshin]

You're another orphan then. The selfishness is off the scale. You want to help, tell people not to be dicks when out and how they mix with others.

What if despite all of the social distancing and masks and all the rest of it people still get the virus? Still pass it to others?

Given masks still aren't backed by WHO as a preventative measure and for all the social distancing in place it can still be passed to people, the virus will still infect people outside of their home.

As I say it's inevitable.

Who picks the age?

What age group would you lock up for ever?

My mother is 64, does she make your cull? My Father in law is 70, does he make your cull? Hes still working as well, should he just give up his job cos he doesn't fit your criteria?

I have no idea what long covid is, but I do know that a 31 year old who was fit and healthy is currently in her 4th week off work in my missus place, she has just been signed off for another 2 weeks, so maybe the cut off point should be 30?

But hey, it wont affect you, so you don't care, lets just let everybody over the age of 30 die.

Who makes it?

The ones who are dying mate. The age groups that it is proven to have a big effect on. The average age is 82 , that should mean something.

I still don't get this reaction when I say this. It's literally in the data who are dying from it and who aren't.

If you are over a certain age then the virus can kill you. If you are under a certain age it probably isn't.

Yet that information is still treated like its made up. It's there , in the numbers week after week after week for anyone to see.

If noone was dying from covid then we wouldnt be locking the country down over and over again. So why not use the information that we do have and manage it that way. It's common sense.

Because the thing is, no matter how much you don't like what I'm saying , the government will act like this eventually. When the vaccine is not given to people under a certain age , is that not what I'm saying now? Why else would you not look to vaccinate absolutely everyone as priority?

It's just madness that the idea of protecting those who are dying from covid is seen as a hostile viewpoint. If I was saying sod them all then I'd understand but when you have demographics who just aren't dying from it and the numbers prove it then how is that such an unpopular opinion?

 

[Billy Dean]

What if despite all of the social distancing and masks and all the rest of it people still get the virus? Still pass it to others?



Given masks still aren't backed by WHO as a preventative measure and for all the social distancing in place it can still be passed to people, the virus will still infect people outside of their home.

As I say it's inevitable.


Who makes it?

The ones who are dying mate. The age groups that it is proven to have a big effect on. The average age is 82 , that should mean something.

I still don't get this reaction when I say this. It's literally in the data who are dying from it and who aren't.

If you are over a certain age then the virus can kill you. If you are under a certain age it probably isn't.

Yet that information is still treated like its made up. It's there , in the numbers week after week after week for anyone to see.

If noone was dying from covid then we wouldnt be locking the country down over and over again. So why not use the information that we do have and manage it that way. It's common sense.

Because the thing is, no matter how much you don't like what I'm saying , the government will act like this eventually. When the vaccine is not given to people under a certain age , is that not what I'm saying now? Why else would you not look to vaccinate absolutely everyone as priority?

It's just madness that the idea of protecting those who are dying from covid is seen as a hostile viewpoint. If I was saying sod them all then I'd understand but when you have demographics who just aren't dying from it and the numbers prove it then how is that such an unpopular opinion?

How would you decide who needs shielding and who doesn’t. How would you go about shielding them? And do you really think those under a certain age will never get to have the vaccine?

 

[Nymzee]

How would you decide who needs shielding and who doesn’t. How would you go about shielding them? And do you really think those under a certain age will never get to have the vaccine?

 

[Deckard2049]

What if despite all of the social distancing and masks and all the rest of it people still get the virus? Still pass it to others?

Given masks still aren't backed by WHO as a preventative measure and for all the social distancing in place it can still be passed to people, the virus will still infect people outside of their home.

As I say it's inevitable.


Who makes it?

The ones who are dying mate. The age groups that it is proven to have a big effect on. The average age is 82 , that should mean something.

I still don't get this reaction when I say this. It's literally in the data who are dying from it and who aren't.

If you are over a certain age then the virus can kill you. If you are under a certain age it probably isn't.

Yet that information is still treated like its made up. It's there , in the numbers week after week after week for anyone to see.

If noone was dying from covid then we wouldnt be locking the country down over and over again. So why not use the information that we do have and manage it that way. It's common sense.

Because the thing is, no matter how much you don't like what I'm saying , the government will act like this eventually. When the vaccine is not given to people under a certain age , is that not what I'm saying now? Why else would you not look to vaccinate absolutely everyone as priority?

It's just madness that the idea of protecting those who are dying from covid is seen as a hostile viewpoint. If I was saying sod them all then I'd understand but when you have demographics who just aren't dying from it and the numbers prove it then how is that such an unpopular opinion?

It’s also a viewpoint which no matter what people try and say is shared by actual experts in their field.

Coronavirus: Health experts join global anti-lockdown movement

Scientists warn of the "devastating" effect of Covid-19 policies, calling for a return to normal for healthy people.

www.bbc.co.uk

Of course any rational discussion gets shot down with “final solution” hyperbole.

 

[Kenshin]

How would you decide who needs shielding and who doesn’t. How would you go about shielding them? And do you really think those under a certain age will never get to have the vaccine?

For a price anyone can get a vaccine, that's how it works normally. Before I moved to my current job if I wanted the flu shot I could, if I paid for it. But this isn't a flu shot, it's life and death , or at least that is how it's made out to be.

The ones who need shielding are the ones who have a greater risk of dying. Because that is what all of this is about, not infection rates ,or long covid, or furlong , it's that death total that is dictating how the world manages the virus. So if you have literally a majority of people over a certain age who are losing their life to a virus then it isn't hard to pick out who needs to be protected more than others.

But also two words for you

Free will

I know through the family of a 80 something fella who enjoys going the pub. He will continue to keep going the pub despite knowing the risk of doing so. There will be many more like him up and down the country , you may even know one.

So put all your sheilding and protections in place. But if someone still wants to go out , LET THEM! they are adults , they know the risk.

You all must think I'm advocating locking people up! I'm advocating supporting those who will probably die leaving the house due to covid 19. If they still want to go out then that's on them. Same as those who won't get the vaccine when offered , you take the risk.