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There are holes in that cage, back to the drawing board. Air tight please.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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There are holes in that cage, back to the drawing board. Air tight please.
davek
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So did Mengele.
davek
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And fr eery one of those there will be hundreds of experts who take the opposite point of view. They are outliers in the world of health expertise.
Kenshin
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But you have to pay for it and it is dependant on availability.
Which as you touched upon, who knows how much it will cost, we know the government are handing over billions every other week for them even though they still don't exist.
So say anyone can get it but it costs £100 to do so. Is that really the defenition of anyone can get it?
The vaccine will be rolled out to who needs it the most. It will be prioritised. The vaccine task force literally stated that this virus is more of a threat to certain demographics than others and that the actual vaccine could carry more risk to certain groups than the virus itself. So the experts are analysing this from a social, demographic perspective. But when you do that in here it’s forbidden for some reason.
Lockdowns on the other hand are for everybody. There is no other way around this apparently.
I can happily listen to (and still disagree with) anyone who says we need general lockdowns as shielding a certain section of society is impossible to do so. I may not agree but I can understand that position.
However we have now reached a point where saying “hey; this seems to really hit the elderly a lot harder than people under 40, maybe we can use that data to come up with some alternative solution to a blanket lockdown” is seen as a controversial and abhorrent statement.
Furthermore in order to argue the case for general lockdowns the focus is now on “long Covid”. When you point out that all viruses can cause long term health complications this is ignored.
Alasdair Munro (@apsmunro) Tweeted: @kevinsmith_tcnc People who work in infectious diseases recognise there is not much special about SAR-CoV-2 except that no one had immunity to it
Cold and Flu Complications
Even a mild cold or bout of influenza can compromise your immune system and lead to other health concerns.www.everydayhealth.com
If evidence over time is scientifically gathered demonstrating that enough people suffer with long term (meaning actual months not a few weeks after a virus) after effects then maybe those at the vaccine task force will change their way of thinking as well and feel the need for mass vaccination. Until that happens then a debate around whether or not lockdowns should be demographically based is fair and justified.
Every month it's something new. It's everyone is dying , furlong , Kawasaki disease , second wave , long covid etc. Every months there is something new that people just repeat in the face of any sort of alternative opinion. Like I say it's buzzwords that simply deflect from the data.
I have noticed with the scientist thing is that for some reason, only those who carry negative points are listened to. Say how dangerous everything is, people share it on here. A scientist says things aren't as bad as they seem it takes someone who is offering the alternative opinion to share that for it to be dismissed.
So much that is shared in here is based on theories , guesses and the rest. It was only the other day I had people disagreeing with me because I said just guessing how many cases there are isn't a reliable method of managing a pandemic , especially as the predicted cases graph clearly ignored other information from other countries. I said back in June? That minorities weren't genetically affected more , it was shot down and yet only last week there is evidence I was right in that? The argue first and dismiss the evidence later attitude .
But you touch upon something there. If long covid was such a big worry , wouldn't the emphasis be on vaccinating everyone and not just those most affected? Because long covid suggests a serious health risk for anyone of any age , which would be something that needs to be considered with a vaccine.
End of the day the country is managing this to stop people dying and if you suggest an alternative way of managing it based on deaths it's apparantly evil. There is a lot we don't know, we do know it affects elderly sick and weak. So why not run with that rather than total lockdowns?
You do make some very good points sir.
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Maybe we should ignore all doctors on anything medical related and ask the opinion of randomly selected people on the Internet who have access to Wikipedia.
Kenshin
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Side point.
My suggestion of asking elderly and sick to shield and to protect them is barbaric and evil right? That's what you keep telling me?
Right now it's illegal for anyone to visit said sick and elderly, not frowned upon, literally illegal.
Isn't that worse? Making it illegal for anyone to visit elderly and forcing them to leave their house where there is a virus that could kill them?
And I'm the monster.
My suggestion of asking elderly and sick to shield and to protect them is barbaric and evil right? That's what you keep telling me?
Right now it's illegal for anyone to visit said sick and elderly, not frowned upon, literally illegal.
Isn't that worse? Making it illegal for anyone to visit elderly and forcing them to leave their house where there is a virus that could kill them?
And I'm the monster.
On that very point, from the NI Govt briefing today:
Looking in detail at current figures, Chief Scientific Adviser Prof Ian Young says the seven-day rolling average of new cases confirmed per day is about 500 and "has more than doubled within the last week".
He adds that although testing has increased in the last few days, the amount of tests has only risen by about 15%, during a period when the number of positive test results has "doubled".
"The increase in cases is not due to increased testing."
davek
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More fake news on Long Covid.
www.bbc.co.uk
More fake news on Long Covid.
Coronavirus: Specialist 'long Covid' clinics to be set up in England
They will offer support for people with long-term health problems after infection with coronavirus.
www.bbc.co.uk
bigjonny
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It’s not illegal to gather indoors to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person.
Kenshin
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No but it does coincide with more mass gatherings of people.
I'm not talking about the past week, I'm talking about the last 4 months. We were testing far less people back in July as we are now, numbers have risen with more testing.
Is it a coincidence or not? That I can't answer.
davek
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Maybe you should go with the orthodoxy amongst health experts and not give too much attention to cranks on the fringe?
Kenshin
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But family and friends can't go and visit without breaking the law.
Which is the point? They have to go out to where they can catch a deadly virus to them if they want to see friends and family.
Alternatively stay stuck indoors without any contact due to the law.
Sounds like what I'm saying but much worse , as you are stopping people BY LAW.
Billy Dean
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I want proof or it didn't happen. You have approximately 5 minutes to drag him into your house as there are at least four or 5 on here that say there isn't an issue.
For me it’s down to people being less cautious and far too many declining to follow the guidance. Mask adherence is embarrassing locally and as for distancing in shops it is less than good.
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