Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

None of which justifies the social gatherings we're talking about.

They are not telling these people not to go to work, or even to not go to restaurants and pubs. It's simply saying stop having these large gatherings in private dwellings or outdoors which encourage people to break the rules around social distancing.

That assumes it’s those gatherings that are driving this, though. There isn’t so much evidence of that (though the usual papers have pretended there is), and work / restaurants / pubs and especially holidays could be at least as likely.

 

[Brennan]

That assumes it’s those gatherings that are driving this, though. There isn’t so much evidence of that (though the usual papers have pretended there is), and work / restaurants / pubs and especially holidays could be at least as likely.

But even if they are as likely, which I'm not discounting completely as a possibility, these changes are still justified you'd agree ?

We need workers in work and the service sector surviving far more than we need these gatherings.

 

[roydo]

I appear to have touched a raw nerve by pointing out your history on this thread where you took the piss out of anyone forewarning about the threat of a second wave.

You were arrogant and you were wrong

Own it and stop treating people like mugs by deflecting from your own folly and trying to finnesse your utter wrongness away. It cant be done. Just put your hand up and say you got it wrong. Again.

Not sure the vaults in this thread will be kind to you mate.

With respect.

 

[orchard]

That assumes it’s those gatherings that are driving this, though. There isn’t so much evidence of that (though the usual papers have pretended there is), and work / restaurants / pubs and especially holidays could be at least as likely.

Big assumption. Lots of people have have been socially gathering for yonks in England haven't they ? What's new that could have pushed infections up?

 

[davek]

Not sure the vaults in this thread will be kind to you mate.

With respect.

...nor you, tbf. As I pointed out you yourself stated in March that countries locking down were being alarmist.

But forget that for a second: what would make our mistakes distinct is that we have at least owned those mistakes...not so with @Brennan

That's a lack of character.

 

[Kenshin]

That’s just not true.

If you read back you’ll see that the ONS are sending out letters to members of the public asking households to enroll in a testing programme.

People randomly ordering covid tests before they go on holiday or go to see their gran is not beneficial to this research because it is not a controlled study.

But it's a pandemic, with a virus that is absolutely a life or death situation to certain people. I'm not personally but people are still genuinely worried about their health so it's no surprise they want to be tested each and every time they think they may have it.

Or testing before seeing someone vunerable when it's allowed to happen again is a common sense thing, rather than just go and potentially kill them.

The issue isn't people testing , the issue is the lack of capacity or drive to test everyone. That's what we should be doing , testing everyone to know how many people actually have the virus rather just react to tests from actual sick people which is a massively backwards approach.

We can't have a system where millions just decide they want a test on the same. There is a finite number of tests so of course we need some sort of criteria.

Whether we have enough tests is another debate, but I don't know the answer to that.

I haven't had any cold/flu symptoms during this so haven't went for a test. But if I do feel ill over the winter then I will. But I won't be booking a test just because I can and feel entitled to one.

This government has had 6 months to test everyone and it's clearly still failing as much as the track and trace system.

That's what makes it embarrassing now. 6 months later and still no ambition to find out to what extent the virus is in the country. So we are effectively managing a virus that we still have no idea about so how can we ?

Maybe Instead of blaming young people now , perhaps point the blame at the government who are clearly not arsed about trying to manage it effectively. How on earth can you manage a pandemic based on only sick people and not all people?

 

[roydo]

...nor you, tbf. As I pointed out you yourself stated in March that countries locking down were being alarmist.

But forget that for a second: what would make our mistakes distinct is that we have at least owned those mistakes...not so with @Brennan

That's a lack of character.

Did I?

 

[davek]

You're so tedious.

Putting words in my mouth isn't going to win you any internet points. I have never once said there would not be a second wave of Coronavirus in the UK, and you will not find a post from me saying so.

You've deliberately undermined any need for vigilance (and those calling for vigilance) and done no one any service by taking that attitude.

An example....

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/coronavirus-thread-serious-stuff.109382/page-3262#post-7995207

 

[tsubaki]

But even if they are as likely, which I'm not discounting completely as a possibility, these changes are still justified you'd agree ?

We need workers in work and the service sector surviving far more than we need these gatherings.

Not really - what we need to know is how the disease is spreading; banning certain activities en masse is not necessarily effective in and of itself.

For example, imagine a 25 year old who doesn’t go to a birthday party at their mates because these gatherings are banned. Instead they go to their office job, commuting on the train, getting their haircut and going to the pub every Friday afternoon with mates from work. The virus has loads of opportunity to infect them and because we don’t have an effective test and trace system, we have not much chance of seeing where they’ve picked it up.

 

[davek]

Did I?

Yes.

 

[Brennan]

Not really - what we need to know is how the disease is spreading; banning certain activities en masse is not necessarily effective in and of itself.

For example, imagine a 25 year old who doesn’t go to a birthday party at their mates because these gatherings are banned. Instead they go to their office job, commuting on the train, getting their haircut and going to the pub every Friday afternoon with mates from work. The virus has loads of opportunity to infect them and because we don’t have an effective test and trace system, we have not much chance of seeing where they’ve picked it up.

Banning large gatherings in private dwellings will of course have an impact on the virus spread. That’s why it was one of the last things in many countries to be relaxed.

 

[roydo]

Yes.

Remind me.

 

[Harryflashman]

Banning large gatherings in private dwellings will of course have an impact on the virus spread. That’s why it was one of the last things in many countries to be relaxed.

I can understand that but it just sits so awkwardly with the other messages . I Get the desire , even the necessity to support the economy but the whole thing seems hugely disjointed .

 

[Brennan]

You've deliberately undermined any need for vigilance (and those calling for vigilance) and done no one any service by taking that attitude.

An example....

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/coronavirus-thread-serious-stuff.109382/page-3262#post-7995207

You can keep lying, but it's very transparent. I never said there would be no second wave, which was your claim.

I hate to break it to you as it may undermine your sense of importance, but very few people in the world read the current affairs section of this website and even less take any notice of anything anybody in here says.

And that's lucky, because six months ago you were saying COVID was a media conspiracy.

I really don’t need lessons in morality and character from you thanks. The socialist who sneers at the British public and wants people murdered in the street.

 

[orchard]

I can understand that but it just sits so awkwardly with the other messages . I Get the desire , even the necessity to support the economy but the whole thing seems hugely disjointed .

Has any government intervention been implemented without them contradicting themselves or blurring the lines immediately since the Durham fiasco?