Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[orchard]

I didn’t say you did suggest closing everything down.

The government incompetence both previously and now doesn’t determine the logic of every single policy decision.

There is a sensible explanation behind why workplaces and things which generate economic activity are being prioritised ahead of private gatherings. There are multiple people in this thread acting as if it doesn’t make sense to do so.

Listening to Hancock on Radio 4, 'we have evidence that it does not spread in workplaces - but does in fact spread more rapidly in social gatherings'.

Sounds familiar, not doing themselves any favours here, like you said, to maintain economic activity workplaces need to be as secure as practically possible, the above is negligent.

 

[Brennan]

To even buy into that argument (that the young are to blame) is wrong - this disease is going to be out there whatever happens, if it’s not the 18-30 crowd getting sick then it will be school kids.

To keep society functioning during these times they needed to have a proper test, track and trace system - one that people could call in confidence they’d get a test quickly, get the results quickly and which could therefore identify and quarantine people with it and those they’d come into contact with. Once people were quarantined, they’d need to be supported financially and monitored to ensure they weren’t breaching it.

To do this would have needed tens of thousands of people (probably closer to 100000), proper organisation and a big upfront cost to set it up and run it for as long as necessary. It would however work, as this is how countries with more experience of outbreaks of disease do it.

Instead what we got is an outsourced nightmare of waste and incompetence, where they think it’s reasonable to get people to drive 75 miles to get tested. Now they are saying it’s everyone’s fault.

It's not wrong, it's demonstrably true ?

Look at the test results. The vast majority of people getting it currently are within the 15-35 age bracket, and the scary thing is that that age group often shows no symptoms. So lord knows how many more are carrying it as a result and don't realise.

The other three paragraphs you wrote I agree with, but that doesn't change the facts of the present, which are that the young are currently the driving force behind the uptick in positive cases due to poor social distancing adherence among this group.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Again, that’s not the driver behind the cases increasing.

It is people of that age gathering in dwellings away from prying eyes or at things like raves and outdoor parties.

I’m 29, doesn’t stop me accepting my age group are by and large to blame at the moment.

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I've seen poor distancing from all ages tbh.

Expecting the young and healthy to follow rules stringently for over 6 months was a bit unlikely to me. We did well on the whole for a long time, but people will naturally want to return to some sort of normality. If they insist on bringing back restrictions right up to Christmas then the ground swell of opinion will be firmly against the government, if it isn't already...

Had to visit a number of pubs for work, Shropshire it was, busy market town in mid August, it was during the day, there was not a person under 55 apart from myself, there was no social distancing...

 

[Brennan]

Listening to Hancock on Radio 4, 'we have evidence that it does not spread in workplaces - but does in fact spread more rapidly in social gatherings'.

Sounds familiar, not doing themselves any favours here, like you said, to maintain economic activity workplaces need to be as secure as practically possible, the above is negligent.

Yes he is a tit.

 

[tsubaki]

It's not wrong, it's demonstrably true ?

Look at the test results. The vast majority of people getting it currently are within the 15-35 age bracket, and the scary thing is that that age group often shows no symptoms. So lord knows how many more are carrying it as a result and don't realise.

The other three paragraphs you wrote I agree with, but that doesn't change the facts of the present, which are that the young are currently the driving force behind the uptick in positive cases due to poor social distancing adherence among this group.

That they are the majority of the test results doesn’t mean they are to blame though; in fact it’s them who the government have been shouting at to get back to work and it’s them who are generally the most financially at risk anyway, given that most of them are in rented accommodation, don’t have savings and often have young families of their own.

 

[Brennan]

That they are the majority of the test results doesn’t mean they are to blame though; in fact it’s them who the government have been shouting at to get back to work and it’s them who are generally the most financially at risk anyway, given that most of them are in rented accommodation, don’t have savings and often have young families of their own.

None of which justifies the social gatherings we're talking about.

They are not telling these people not to go to work, or even to not go to restaurants and pubs. It's simply saying stop having these large gatherings in private dwellings or outdoors which encourage people to break the rules around social distancing.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Look at the test results. The vast majority of people getting it currently are within the 15-35 age bracket, and the scary thing is that that age group often shows no symptoms. So lord knows how many more are carrying it as a result and don't realise.

Viruses have always increased from this time of year always have done as we move indoors back to school weather cools etc. Think you are proper awful finger wagging Johnson and Cummings apologist.

 

[davek]

There's no chance of a second wave; stop scare-mongering.

@Brennan

Current Affairs - Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

Bankrupt.

 

[Brennan]

There's no chance of a second wave; stop scare-mongering.

@Brennan

Current Affairs - Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

Bankrupt.

Weird how I never said that isn't it. You bell end. I'll refer you to a previous post in response to your nonsense.

So many fallacies I don't really know where to begin.

Never said there would not be a second wave. Did take the piss out of you for declaring there would absolutely be one (that would smash into us, I believe were your words) in the Summer after pubs opened though.

Never said anything about massive hold ups or tighter quarantine, simply that there should be rules like not going to a mass gathering until receiving a negative test result if you've just been on holiday to another country.

It's almost like you are deliberately misrepresenting my posts to be an argumentative bell end. Surely not...

 

[davek]

Weird how I never said that isn't it. You bell end.

I appear to have touched a raw nerve by pointing out your history on this thread where you took the piss out of anyone forewarning about the threat of a second wave.

You were arrogant and you were wrong

Own it and stop treating people like mugs by deflecting from your own folly and trying to finnesse your utter wrongness away. It cant be done. Just put your hand up and say you got it wrong. Again.

 

[Brennan]

Viruses have always increased from this time of year always have done as we move indoors back to school weather cools etc. Think you are proper awful finger wagging Johnson and Cummings apologist.

Shapps being used as a human shield, he must be fuming.

Boris and Dominic are a disgrace.

Okay mate.

 

[orchard]

ffs, lids, let 2009 go will you.

 

[Harryflashman]

Had to visit a number of pubs for work, Shropshire it was, busy market town in mid August, it was during the day, there was not a person under 55 apart from myself, there was no social distancing...

i genuinely find that really surprising, mad really

 

[Brennan]

I appear to have touched a raw nerve by pointing out your history on this thread where you took the piss out of anyone forewarning about the threat of a second wave.

You were arrogant and you were wrong

Own it and stop treating people like mugs by deflecting from your own folly and trying to finnesse your utter wrongness away. It cant be done. Just put your hand up and say you got it wrong. Again.

You're so tedious.

Putting words in my mouth isn't going to win you any internet points. I have never once said there would not be a second wave of Coronavirus in the UK, and you will not find a post from me saying so.

 

[orchard]

Bed!