Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[spectateur]

But.. but those people were going to die anyway, were they not?

We're all going to die aren't we?
The only thing with probability =1.

 

[spectateur]

You sound like a Tory that believes every word the government tells you.

Couldn't be father from the truth mate. Arch sceptic me.
However I do take notice of scientists and especially medics when it comes to health and medical matters.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just as a few of us where saying, the second wave media claims are just scare tactics

Or alternatively we can live with the virus whilst we take steps to limit the spread.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Targeted protection of the vulnerable is the way to go and let the rest of the population get on with it, the levels of asymptomatic and mild cases are ridiculously high. Country Lockdown is not needed it's causing far more harm than the virus ever could. From people missing early cancer diagnosis to the effects on people's mental health, a study just started in Ireland looking at babies born during Lockdown and the effects on their immune system as in the critical weeks and months of their immune system development, they weren't introduced to the external elements that are essential in building an immune system.
The consequences of what we've done are yet to be seen and I fear that we are going to find that the consequences are going to be horrific far worse than a disease where the vast majority of the population don't even develop symptoms.

There is lots of evidence now that there will be long term effects of this disease. Its no longer just considered a respiratory illness, it's affecting multiple organs. Scans done on asymptomatic people's lungs show the same legions as people who were on respirators.

Its 2 minutes past 12.00am in our understanding of this illness. We will have to live with social distancing for a long time to come.

 

[YoboCopter]

Or alternatively we can live with the virus whilst we take steps to limit the spread.

What i have said all along mate
And get flamed for it

 

[Brennan]

But what do you care? According to you there'll be no second wave.

You call for the economy to be opened up and then complain that those holidaying should face massive hold ups with tighter quarantine regulation. THAT's what opening up the economy gets you: mass movement across borders.

So many fallacies I don't really know where to begin.

Never said there would not be a second wave. Did take the piss out of you for declaring there would absolutely be one (that would smash into us, I believe were your words) in the Summer after pubs opened though.

Never said anything about massive hold ups or tighter quarantine, simply that there should be rules like not going to a mass gathering until receiving a negative test result if you've just been on holiday to another country.

It's almost like you are deliberately misrepresenting my posts to be an argumentative bell end. Surely not...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What i have said all along mate
And get flamed for it

I'll light a candle for you mate.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So many fallacies I don't really know where to begin.

Never said there would not be a second wave. Did take the piss out of you for declaring there would absolutely be one (that would smash into us, I believe were your words) in the Summer after pubs opened though.

Never said anything about massive hold ups or tighter quarantine, simply that there should be rules like not going to a mass gathering until receiving a negative test result if you've just been on holiday to another country.

It's almost like you are deliberately misrepresenting my posts to be an argumentative bell end. Surely not...

The whole quarantine thing is a very blunt instrument though isn't it? I could get a train to Scotland and it be fine, whereas a train to Lyon would not be. Both about the same distance from London. The sad fact is that such blunt instruments appear necessary because there is seemingly no effective way of testing people en masse to see if they have it or not, hence why we have the silly situation of people returning from France on one day being a-okay, and the next day being deemed worthy of quarantine, as though that one day makes any difference at all.

As it is, the government guidelines say my wife is fine to go about her business, as she's been home, yet her bosses are kicking up a stink and wanting her to quarantine along with me, despite her going nowhere (and already having had it), and there being no indication whatsoever that I have anything. If we are going to live with this for the next few months (at least), then we really need to get better at living with it, as we're bungling in the dark at the moment.

 

[davek]

So many fallacies I don't really know where to begin.

Never said there would not be a second wave. Did take the piss out of you for declaring there would absolutely be one (that would smash into us, I believe were your words) in the Summer after pubs opened though.

Never said anything about massive hold ups or tighter quarantine, simply that there should be rules like not going to a mass gathering until receiving a negative test result if you've just been on holiday to another country.

It's almost like you are deliberately misrepresenting my posts to be an argumentative bell end. Surely not...

You've advocated the opening up of society / the economy but you now cant square the circle of that 'getting out there' again with mass mobilisation of the population leads to people looking to cut corners on quarantine.

You basically summoned the genie out of the lamp and are bewildered as to why it wont act in an orderly manner and get back in the lamp.

You cant ride two horses in this period; you cant encourage movement and economic activity and expect tight personal discipline on self-quarantine.

 

[Number_25]

Or alternatively we can live with the virus whilst we take steps to limit the spread.

We can live with a virus that's "socially cleansing" our population because the economy is priority.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You've advocated the opening up of society / the economy but you now cant square the circle of that 'getting out there' again with mass mobilisation of the population leads to people looking to cut corners on quarantine.

You basically summoned the genie out of the lamp and are bewildered as to why it wont act in an orderly manner and get back in the lamp.

You cant ride two horses in this period; you cant encourage movement and economic activity and expect tight personal discipline on self-quarantine.

Two different things isn't it? If we cast our mind back to March, people had to quarantine if they had symptoms because that was an assumption that they had it. Now, 5 months later we're asking people to quarantine just because they've been somewhere, even if they show no symptoms at all. All this whilst bragging about doing 100,000 tests a day and about the country having a world beating track and trace system. If we are to live with this virus for the foreseeable future then we need to get a lot smarter than we currently are.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We can live with a virus that's "socially cleansing" our population because the economy is priority.

Come now, it's not doing that at all.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

This thread sometimes...

Can you give me some rep please?

 

[davek]

Two different things isn't it? If we cast our mind back to March, people had to quarantine if they had symptoms because that was an assumption that they had it. Now, 5 months later we're asking people to quarantine just because they've been somewhere, even if they show no symptoms at all. All this whilst bragging about doing 100,000 tests a day and about the country having a world beating track and trace system. If we are to live with this virus for the foreseeable future then we need to get a lot smarter than we currently are.

Which is a better approach given we now know that asymptomatics wreaked havoc in the spring.

There's spit tests about to be introduced that'll be easier to use and quicker to give results (hours). I hate to use the murderer's terminology about 'game changer' but that could well be it.

My point though is that you cant open up an economy again and expect anything but a rise in infections and the need to be far more vigillant...but expecting individuals to self police is ridiculous.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Which is a better approach given we now know that asymptomatics wreaked havoc in the spring.

There's spit tests about to be introduced that'll be easier to use and quicker to give results (hours). I hate to use the murderer's terminology about 'game changer' but that could well be it.

My point though is that you cant open up an economy again and expect anything but a rise in infections and the need to be far more vigillant...but expecting individuals to self police is ridiculous.

I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that opening the economy would result in fewer cases, but I'm sure you'll point me in the right direction for any that are. With regards to policing it, what would the alternative be? Some sort of tag that people wear like those we attach to criminals?