Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

I do sort of have some sympathy for him though. He was told 24 hours but hadn't heard anything. So maybe he assumed no news is good news. And I don't think he was in a high risk area so might not have even been obliged to have the test in the 1st place.

Common sense would suggest you wait for a result or ring up and ask where the results are before going to a big party.

 

[Brennan]

You've advocated the opening up of society / the economy but you now cant square the circle of that 'getting out there' again with mass mobilisation of the population leads to people looking to cut corners on quarantine.

You basically summoned the genie out of the lamp and are bewildered as to why it wont act in an orderly manner and get back in the lamp.

You cant ride two horses in this period; you cant encourage movement and economic activity and expect tight personal discipline on self-quarantine.

False premise. 'Some people break rules therefore rules are pointless'

In the same way that the vast majority of people obey the directive to wear masks in shops despite it being largely self governed, the vast majority of people would obey a rule which requested attending no large gatherings until receipt of a test result when that test is performed at the border.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Common sense would suggest you wait for a result or ring up and ask where the results are before going to a big party.

Surely driving 60 miles on public roads with young family in car to see if your eyesight is capable, that's a good measure of common sense!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The CEO who presided over one of biggest ISP data breeches, what could possibly go wrong... Indecently her husband John Penrose MP presides over Conservative 1828 committee which calls for the NHS to be replaced by an insurance system and for Public Health England to be scrapped. Oh guess what!?

Matt Hancock confirms Public Health England to be scrapped

Matt Hancock has confirmed the government will axe Public Health England and create a new national institute for health protection – despite the move being branded “irresponsible” during a pandemic. The health secretary also revealed Baroness Dido Harding, the current head of NHS Test and Trace...

www.independent.co.uk

Wow! Who would have thought!

What could possibly go wrong!?

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Was at kebab place the other day..And I was astonished, in a bad way. Girl blocked me in the entrance saying I should wear mask going inside. I was like 'Well I need my mouth to eat?' and her reaction 'Yes but you should keep wearing it till your order arrives' I then left. Incredible, so for a few minutes virus should be stopped at all costs, but for the next 15 to 20 minutes while people are actually eating, covid is having a rest. It makes a lot of sense.

 

[YoboCopter]

Was at kebab place the other day..And I was astonished, in a bad way. Girl blocked me in the entrance saying I should wear mask going inside. I was like 'Well I need my mouth to eat?' and her reaction 'Yes but you should keep wearing it till your order arrives' I then left. Incredible, so for a few minutes virus should be stopped at all costs, but for the next 15 to 20 minutes while people are actually eating, covid is having a rest. It makes a lot of sense.

Its a myth mate
In real life anyway no one cares just on this forum everyone is scared to leave the house

not a true reflection of avg man, i dont know anyone whos as worried as the men on here

 

[Nymzee]

Its a myth mate
In real life anyway no one cares just on this forum everyone is scared to leave the house

not a true reflection of avg man, i dont know anyone whos as worried as the men on here

 

[Catfish Blues]

Here's 10 thousand in April from dementia alone. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...mentia-deaths-beyond-infections-research-says

Chances are mate, that the vast majoriity of excess dementia deaths from April were directly caused by COVID infections. At that time, COVID was ripping through the elderly who weren't getting tested, so the general consensus among medics is that the cause of death was being missed.

When you look at the equivalent figues for May and June, one month was a bit below average for dementia, and the other month was a bit above average. If dementia deaths were being caused because of lockdown, including things like lack of visitors, then you'd have expected the April trend to have continued.

It's impossible to say for sure, and I doubt we'll ever know with any degree of certainty, but it's more likely than not that thousands of elderly people with dementia died in April as a direct result of them being infected with COVID.

 

[davek]

I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that opening the economy would result in fewer cases, but I'm sure you'll point me in the right direction for any that are. With regards to policing it, what would the alternative be? Some sort of tag that people wear like those we attach to criminals?

That wasn't a claim I made.

 

[YoboCopter]

Hahahahalollollol

 

[Tipp blue]

Chances are mate, that the vast majoriity of excess dementia deaths from April were directly caused by COVID infections. At that time, COVID was ripping through the elderly who weren't getting tested, so the general consensus among medics is that the cause of death was being missed.

When you look at the equivalent figues for May and June, one month was a bit below average for dementia, and the other month was a bit above average. If dementia deaths were being caused because of lockdown, including things like lack of visitors, then you'd have expected the April trend to have continued.

It's impossible to say for sure, and I doubt we'll ever know with any degree of certainty, but it's more likely than not that thousands of elderly people with dementia died in April as a direct result of them being infected with COVID.

Says in the article that the extra deaths were unexplained and not Covid related. H

 

[ForeverBlue92]

About 5 kids next door on a bouncy castle.

Soon as the little gits are back in school the better.

 

[davek]

False premise. 'Some people break rules therefore rules are pointless'

In the same way that the vast majority of people obey the directive to wear masks in shops despite it being largely self governed, the vast majority of people would obey a rule which requested attending no large gatherings until receipt of a test result when that test is performed at the border.

But you're expecting the whole of the people holidaying abroad and then coming back in to quarantine, and that is asinine.

This is where your argument to open up falls down: it only takes a minority of those holidaying (or going to pubs/restaurants) to be less than serious about how they socially distance for the virus to get a massive hold on the population again.

There is no balance; no middle way. You either deny the virus room to grow or you hand it the chance to.

 

[Kenshin]

Chances are mate, that the vast majoriity of excess dementia deaths from April were directly caused by COVID infections. At that time, COVID was ripping through the elderly who weren't getting tested, so the general consensus among medics is that the cause of death was being missed.

When you look at the equivalent figues for May and June, one month was a bit below average for dementia, and the other month was a bit above average. If dementia deaths were being caused because of lockdown, including things like lack of visitors, then you'd have expected the April trend to have continued.

It's impossible to say for sure, and I doubt we'll ever know with any degree of certainty, but it's more likely than not that thousands of elderly people with dementia died in April as a direct result of them being infected with COVID.

Or.....

They died despite being covid-19 positive.

There isn't any separation between the two. Dying of and dying with are two completely different things yet on the statistics they aren't.

The way I view it , go back in time and look at the monthly averages. Anything over the average is clearly covid-19 related and anything else isnt.

So if on average 10000 thousand people die in April and the figure is 18000 then it's not a large jump to say those extra are directly caused by it. But then saying 500 died in June of covid and the figure is at the average rate for example makes me question why there was a sudden drop in deaths at that point in the year.

 

[YoboCopter]

About 5 kids next door on a bouncy castle.

Soon as the little gits are back in school the better.

If u cant beat em join em