Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[WA Toffee]

I'm not saying it's good but it's all relative. We had horrendous figures a few months ago and are in a far better place.

Regionally, I'm in Northern Ireland and we haven't had a death in 22 days. I don't think it's wrong for me to be confident things are getting better.

It's also not easy to compare the UK and Australia. One is a very densely populated island and the other a much more sparsely populated, and enormously big island.

I would agree that it seems to be getting better. But as the numbers are still horrendous, I would suggest that is a good reason for keeping restrictions in place for a bit longer.

 

[xena]

Some people didn’t mention poor people. Tory areas also have poor people. Areas behaving sensibly and reducing the risk of infection have poor people. You seem to equate Labour with poor people.......

Seems strange no areas down south been closed down yet .Yet the hole borough of Wigan has with a rating of 7 per 100.000 which is less than the national average .
Wouldn't have anything to do with wigan being a strong labour area would it.
Thinking it's our punishment for not voting tory.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I would agree that it seems to be getting better. But as the numbers are still horrendous, I would suggest that is a good reason for keeping restrictions in place for a bit longer.

I think we need the balance. Restrictions are not a long-term solution or we will create thousands more vulnerable people through mass unemployment and hardship.

It's not a wealth v health debate. You cannot separate one from the other.

 

[YoboCopter]

Cant afford it.

Yer no way they can go on much longer

 

[Harryflashman]

Ha Ha Ha.

That sounds like the 1950s.

You'll be telling me next you use the local ale house to play bowls and quoits.

The ale house is there for bar flies who want to get pissed all day and kids who want to cause murder.

I can tell you of a pub where pre pandemic an older regular customer , who lives alone had a turn . The owners got him an ambulance and one went up with him , stayed with him him until he was kept in . They then washed his clothes and got him up some new socks and underwear for when he got out whilst some other customers sorted out some shopping for him when he got home .


See now that’s real not a story about murderers, profiteers or subhuman scum just decent people being decent . By the way it’s also genuine social responsibility the type that we’re probably going to need a lot more of to get through the near future .

I appreciate in your vast experience life is like a dystopian post apocalyptic horror show and at times I also despair but in reality there are some thoroughly decent people out there despite the fact I think you’ve probably advocated their execution 350 times in this thread .

 

[WA Toffee]

I think we need the balance. Restrictions are not a long-term solution or we will create thousands more vulnerable people through mass unemployment and hardship.

It's not a wealth v health debate. You cannot separate one from the other.

I think we can agree on those points. I suppose the major difference between our perspectives may be that I am living in a place which has it pretty much under control and we had most restrictions lifted a couple of months ago, whereas you are in a place which still has pretty much all restrictions in place and people are understandably getting fed up with it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

“The immune system is really complicated.“ excellent article

 

[davek]

October will be the seventh month of the scheme. I'm not sure we can afford to extend it. Certainly not at the current level of support.

The furlough scheme is currently just delaying mass unemployment. We need to think less short-term now and look to save these jobs. The only way we save the jobs in the long term is to get everyone back to work. There are lots of industries in our country where once the jobs go, they won't come back.

The virus will come in waves. Hospitality will be hit on that basis and the owners of those businesses need to dig into their vast profits if they want to come out the other end. The govenment cant just walk away from it either...and wont - it's politically not possible to do so.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The virus will come in waves. Hospitality will be hit on that basis and the owners of those businesses need to dig into their vast profits if they want to cpome out the other end. The govenment cant just walk away from it either...and wont - it's politically not possible to do so.

I think the chances of another national lockdown are close to nil.

 

[Harryflashman]

I think the chances of another national lockdown are close to nil.

Have to agree with that , I think the financial implications would be huge

 

[COYBL25]

I can tell you of a pub where pre pandemic an older regular customer , who lives alone had a turn . The owners got him an ambulance and one went up with him , stayed with him him until he was kept in . They then washed his clothes and got him up some new socks and underwear for when he got out whilst some other customers sorted out some shopping for him when he got home .


See now that’s real not a story about murderers, profiteers or subhuman scum just decent people being decent . By the way it’s also genuine social responsibility the type that we’re probably going to need a lot more of to get through the near future .

I appreciate in your vast experience life is like a dystopian post apocalyptic horror show and at times I also despair but in reality there are some thoroughly decent people out there despite the fact I think you’ve probably advocated their execution 350 times in this thread .

 

[Harryflashman]

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Now That’s more my kind of of night out

 

[davek]

I can tell you of a pub where pre pandemic an older regular customer , who lives alone had a turn . The owners got him an ambulance and one went up with him , stayed with him him until he was kept in . They then washed his clothes and got him up some new socks and underwear for when he got out whilst some other customers sorted out some shopping for him when he got home .


See now that’s real not a story about murderers, profiteers or subhuman scum just decent people being decent . By the way it’s also genuine social responsibility the type that we’re probably going to need a lot more of to get through the near future .

I appreciate in your vast experience life is like a dystopian post apocalyptic horror show and at times I also despair but in reality there are some thoroughly decent people out there despite the fact I think you’ve probably advocated their execution 350 times in this thread .

That's a good turn done for a regular customer. Unfortunately, the reality is that regular customers are not best served in the teeth of a pandemic by being in pubs and restaurants. If pubs fulfill a social role at the best of times, they dont at these, the worst of times.

 

[davek]

I think the chances of another national lockdown are close to nil.

I'm not talking about a national lockdown per se. I'm talking about that industry being locked down.

You'd have to have been living under a rock the last week or so to have missed the talk of pubs and restaurants closing if schools are to be re-opened.

Something has to give to keep the R-number down.

 

[Harryflashman]

That's a good turn done for a regular customer. Unfortunately, the reality is that regular customers are not best served in the teeth of a pandemic by being in pubs and restaurants. If pubs fulfill a social role at the best of times, they dont at these, the worst of times.

Pubs aren’t full though are they , most of them are heavily restricted by the covid rules . A big Everton pub in town got a good few hundred on a match now limited to less than 60 .