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Billy Dean
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Went out for dinner last week and had roast chicken. The chef didn’t like being told what to do so didn’t cook the chicken at the right temperature. I nearly died from the food poisoning but worth it for the freedom of chefs to cook how they want. My own fault for not cooking my own food if I’m vulnerable to food poisoning
Catfish Blues
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Expedited shipping = Courier costs
Operations = Admin costs,
If tests are done on site, at the airport, the shipping costs would go, but you then have staff costs at the airport to cover, so, chances are, it'll make little difference overall.
You can huff and puff all you like, and, probably with some justifucation, quibble about the profit firms would make on this, but the reality is that the tests consume time and materials, and, either directly, or indirectly, someone has to pay.
By the way, we don't have to pay for normal swab tests either mate, the government are picking that up. But do you think the taxpayer should pick up the bill for a COVID test for someone who's jetted off for a week or two's sun ?
Personally, I don't. If you want a jolly abroad, but don't want to quarantine, then I think you should have to pay for the test. Admittedly, it might make sense from a public health point of view for the government to pick up the bill, because it'd reduce the number of people saying they'll quarantine, but then not doing so, so it's not quite so cut and dried.
If you live in Melbourne, then you'll be aware that you're charging 3000 Aussie Dollars for two weeks quarantine in hotels on return to the country ( with less per person if it's a couple or family ). That's about £1500, so, compared to that, ~ £150 doesn't sound much
Kenshin
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a big outbreak in a factory then straight afterwards the lockdown was put into place?
I always thought it was the 60 odd cases there that triggered it.
YoboCopter
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You any better now? Sounds terrible
They haven't achieved heard immunity, nor did it saved the economy from what I've read so there are lives lost that could have been saved. Happy to be wrong on that though, haven't read up on Sweden for a few weeksIf you lose the first round in a boxing match does it mean you’ve lost the fight?
Sweden: coronavirus deaths by age groups 2023| Statista
As of January 11, 2023, the highest number of deaths due to the coronavirus in Sweden was among individuals aged 80 to 90 years old.www.statista.com
Their number of deaths is high in the elderly and they had a massive issue in care homes. That doesn’t mean it’s ok and their chief epidemiologist acknowledged these failings and apologised for them. Little consolation to the loved ones of the bereaved of course.
The deaths per capita argument was perhaps true at one stage but it is simply not true anymore.
COVID-19 deaths per capita by country| Statista
COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.
If you want to argue that a lockdown would have saved a majority of the deaths in Sweden then you can. I feel like that’s pretty hard to prove though. If lockdown would have saved a majority of those lives, then what does it say about other countries that have implemented them and have seen a lot of deaths? Where those people doomed no matter what? Is lockdown inherently flawed? Or is it all down to the government and the public whether they succeed or not?
As another poster stated, if a vaccine comes quickly then they’re strategy will for sure look pretty heartless. I just think this idea that lockdown= good, Sweden= bad is pretty simplistic. There’s too many variables, for example why are Belgium so hardly hit despite a stringent lockdown? Australia who boldly claimed to have beaten the virus in late May are now seeing a massive uptick in cases.
Admittedly it’s hard to debate around something when people are losing their lives, but they are an interesting counterpoint to the rest of the world.
Couple of bench sets will cure that
If you lose the first round in a boxing match does it mean you’ve lost the fight?
Sweden: coronavirus deaths by age groups 2023| Statista
As of January 11, 2023, the highest number of deaths due to the coronavirus in Sweden was among individuals aged 80 to 90 years old.
Their number of deaths is high in the elderly and they had a massive issue in care homes. That doesn’t mean it’s ok and their chief epidemiologist acknowledged these failings and apologised for them. Little consolation to the loved ones of the bereaved of course.
The deaths per capita argument was perhaps true at one stage but it is simply not true anymore.
COVID-19 deaths per capita by country| Statista
COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.
If you want to argue that a lockdown would have saved a majority of the deaths in Sweden then you can. I feel like that’s pretty hard to prove though. If lockdown would have saved a majority of those lives, then what does it say about other countries that have implemented them and have seen a lot of deaths? Where those people doomed no matter what? Is lockdown inherently flawed? Or is it all down to the government and the public whether they succeed or not?
As another poster stated, if a vaccine comes quickly then they’re strategy will for sure look pretty heartless. I just think this idea that lockdown= good, Sweden= bad is pretty simplistic. There’s too many variables, for example why are Belgium so hardly hit despite a stringent lockdown? Australia who boldly claimed to have beaten the virus in late May are now seeing a massive uptick in cases.
Admittedly it’s hard to debate around something when people are losing their lives, but they are an interesting counterpoint to the rest of the world.
I know you're trying to avoid it, but there's a good bit of "old people's lives don't matter as much" in your argument there.
It's true that Sweden's mortality rate, while very high, compares favourably to a couple of other countries, but doing better than the UK is hardly a resounding success is it? Objectively speaking, compared to most other countries of similar size, it has fared very badly even though it was one of the quickest to implement the measures it did take. And even if you did somehow consider it a success, it's one country. Not implementing lockdowns has been disastrous elsewhere.
And there are a lot of other variables that scientists haven't gotten a handle on. This is purely speculation on my part, but I imagine levels of voluntary compliance with social distancing and self-isolation vary wildly between countries. Social-mindedness is considered to be a lot higher in Sweden than in the UK and Swedish citizens are probably more likely to exercise discretionary restraint in terms of maintaining social distance and avoiding unnecessary travel. In contrast, in this thread alone, we have had:
- People refusing to wear a mask because they don't like being "told what to do"
- Racists going on pub crawls while simultaneously blaming Muslims and Asians
- A lad almost bragging about going to one of the worst hotspots in America on a stag party complete with smiley face emojis
I agree that it would be a lot cheaper to pay for a quarantine test than for 2 weeks in a hotel, but I'm struggling to understand how it costs 150 pounds to provide a single swab test result There's a single queue for the test so maybe six people on the shift doing 30 tests an hour each, the tubes are transported to the lab downtown at the end of the shift and I don't know how long it takes to arrive at a result, not long I'd say , and then they ring you up and give you the news.
The aim is to get results delivered within a couple of days, so they must get it all done super quickly. That might be over simplifying it, but not much. I don't
think. We're just going to have to agree to disagree, and bear in mind, a negative test doesn't last forever. You'd have to be tested regularly if you were
serious about the process and this could go on for a long time. I hope not.
Billy Dean
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I don’t think we can know for sure because they didn’t test the entire population of Leicester
Kenshin
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They had a spike in one location and locked down straight away. It was all over the news as to why.
They didn't just lockdown for no reason ?
If you lose the first round in a boxing match does it mean you’ve lost the fight?
Sweden: coronavirus deaths by age groups 2023| Statista
As of January 11, 2023, the highest number of deaths due to the coronavirus in Sweden was among individuals aged 80 to 90 years old.
Their number of deaths is high in the elderly and they had a massive issue in care homes. That doesn’t mean it’s ok and their chief epidemiologist acknowledged these failings and apologised for them. Little consolation to the loved ones of the bereaved of course.
The deaths per capita argument was perhaps true at one stage but it is simply not true anymore.
COVID-19 deaths per capita by country| Statista
COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.
If you want to argue that a lockdown would have saved a majority of the deaths in Sweden then you can. I feel like that’s pretty hard to prove though. If lockdown would have saved a majority of those lives, then what does it say about other countries that have implemented them and have seen a lot of deaths? Where those people doomed no matter what? Is lockdown inherently flawed? Or is it all down to the government and the public whether they succeed or not?
As another poster stated, if a vaccine comes quickly then they’re strategy will for sure look pretty heartless. I just think this idea that lockdown= good, Sweden= bad is pretty simplistic. There’s too many variables, for example why are Belgium so hardly hit despite a stringent lockdown? Australia who boldly claimed to have beaten the virus in late May are now seeing a massive uptick in cases.
Admittedly it’s hard to debate around something when people are losing their lives, but they are an interesting counterpoint to the rest of the world.
Its not hard to prove at all mate, there are many countries with similar populations who locked down and have had significantly smaller death rates, the results are in. Swedan let it run rampant.
Im not sure what age has to do with death are we sub categorising a death now by age, a death is a death and there are are no acceptable ones doesnt matter if someone is 25 or over 65, when they can be avoided. Of course the elderly are more vulnerable its the same in every society that has Covid, the distinguishing feature is Sweden had a different approach to everyone and their death rate is higher proportionally to the population to others comparatively who did lock down, im not sure how that is a success for their approach. Its like ive said the argument is "we did well apart for all the deaths".
Would the death rate in Sweden be lower, with a lock down, i think the dogs in the street and most of the scientific community would say yes, in those circles they are being used as an example of what not to do, i was at zoom seminar during the week as i work in health care and Sweden were held up as an example of exactly what you dont do and learning from them a worst case scenario approach.
What did there approach achieve, 80k cases for a population of over 1 0 million, no where near anything to achieve natural herd immunity. While evidence is showing that natural herd immunity is impossible as antibodies wain in 2/3 months. So whta was the point of their approach? - it failed and they had one of the highest death rates in Europe, that could have been avoided if we compare them to other countries with similar profiles.
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Kenshin
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Liverpool shopping update. Ventured into town for the first time in 5 months.
Smyths - staff no mask / no challenge
(Only shop edge lane with staff masks -hm)
Primark- staff no masks / no challenge
Poundland thing- no mask / no challenge
Tesco old swan - no mask / no challenge
Superdrug - no mask / no challenge
Seems everywhere I go the staff are mostly not wearing masks in shops.
I did wear a mask in town itself for my wife's piece of mind / mass gatherings as per regulations tell me to. However I did spot people in most shops except smyths not wearing a mask also.
So again, flawed logic if the staff aren't wearing them.
Smyths - staff no mask / no challenge
(Only shop edge lane with staff masks -hm)
Primark- staff no masks / no challenge
Poundland thing- no mask / no challenge
Tesco old swan - no mask / no challenge
Superdrug - no mask / no challenge
Seems everywhere I go the staff are mostly not wearing masks in shops.
I did wear a mask in town itself for my wife's piece of mind / mass gatherings as per regulations tell me to. However I did spot people in most shops except smyths not wearing a mask also.
So again, flawed logic if the staff aren't wearing them.
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