Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Wat Tyler]

The state of Laura Kuenssberg, issuing rebuttals on behalf of the government.

 

[tsubaki]

I don't think they care, nobody listens.

The amount of Tories complaining about MSM at the moment is the very definition of irony.

They'll be going on about curtain-twitchers in a few hours, bemoaning the state of society where informers roam the land etc etc like they did when Boris had a row.

It is hilarious though, seeing the commentariat either ignore the biggest story of the week (Fraser Nelson, Pearson, Young etc) or make complete gimps of themselves excusing it away (Laura K, Dan Hodges).

 

[DrEFC]

Nice graph, but I pulled one off the original source showing real spending on Health.... https://www.ifs.org.uk/research/103


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Obviously mine appears to show real money and doesn’t contain any political bias. Now I’ve no idea if either graph is even true or correct. But the latest graph from the IFS doesn’t paint the same picture as you would have me believe.

I can accept all the 20/20 hindsight observations. But I don’t remember anyone jumping up and down screaming that we should be going into lockdown.....

Ok, I've been a doctor since 2008, worked in several hospitals, and I can TELL you funding has decreased.

 

[mill]

No offence taken at all. I don't wish to be critical of schools, but they have known this time would come for 10 weeks and all we hear at the moment is that what seems to work in other countries won't work here and we're practically sending every teacher to the firing squad.

Cummins referred to teachers as the blob precisely because of their inability to adapt or be creative. Do by all means show the evidence to refute that during the pandemic. We know that new lessons haven't been taught, and the perception is very much that no steps have been taken to prepare for full reopening.

It's popular in these threads to have a pop at the government for their apparent failures, and many of those pops are justified. What have the schools been doing to not justify such scrutiny?

The schools haven’t been able to prepare because the guidance has changed daily. They’d make arrangements one day and then they would be ripped up the next. The guidance that has been provided is also not feasible. Key worker children are to be taught separately from others. Children are to be kept a certain distance apart. Teachers aren’t able to sit with them and help.

I’m just thinking my daughters classroom alone, the guidance would not be feasible.

I’ve spoken to teachers and they just want to go back to work. They really miss the kids. That’s why they are in that profession in the first place.

it’s the junior doctor thing all over again.

It’s just a massive lack of empathy and to be honest, the dunning Kruger effect in most cases. Like when football fans think they know more about tactics than players and managers. They are only working from a limited understanding of something and assuming it’s easy.

 

[roydo]

Ok, I've been a doctor since 2008, worked in several hospitals, and I can TELL you funding has decreased.

Has the actual cash gone down, or has the actual cash not gone up as much as before?

Or has the spending been diverted from A to B within the NHS?

 

[tsubaki]

Has the actual cash gone down, or has the actual cash not gone up as much as before?

Or has the spending been diverted from A to B within the NHS?

a lot of the "increase" in cash has gone into the NHS and then straight out again, via PFI, the various outsourcings, consultants and so on

 

[roydo]

a lot of the "increase" in cash has gone into the NHS and then straight out again, via PFI, the various outsourcings, consultants and so on

Didnt the Chancellor write off the PFI debt earlier this year?

 

[tsubaki]

Didnt the Chancellor write off the PFI debt earlier this year?

nope - he wrote off internal debt (ie owed by the NHS to the government)

 

[roydo]

nope - he wrote off internal debt (ie owed by the NHS to the government)

Was still a few bob wasnt it?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I wouldn`t say I fancy her as such, she just looks like utter filth.

I think there's a touch of the old masochist in you mate. Have you taken to wearing rubber gloves recently by any chance?

 

[tsubaki]

Was still a few bob wasnt it?

by normal people's standards yes, but it was about 1/5 of the total NHS PFI debt and as mentioned the debt was owed to themselves anyway

 

[DrEFC]

Just read all that.

I can confirm that jet fuel can melt steel beams.

No but really I did read it, im not sure why, it might as well be in Flemish.

essentially, the higher doses you recieve of the vaccine, the more likely it is to generate an immune response. T-cells guide the immune response in terms of generating antibodies, or whether to direct a different type of immune response. Antibodies will then sweep up any virus found in the blood in a future exposure. The side effects in generating an immune response may feel like you have the bugger- muscle aches/fevers, but without the progression to a life threatening illness.

 

[DrEFC]

Lancet paper on hydrixychloroquine. Over 96K patients. Sadly no benefit and if anything damaging. We move on to other hopes. ‘We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine’ ‘increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias’.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

The government made sure you couldn't obtain it, as they had blocked hospitals from increasing stores of it. Upset that theres not a medication that aides recovery though.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Ok, I've been a doctor since 2008, worked in several hospitals, and I can TELL you funding has decreased.

The gap has widened between the requirement for activity and the funding available to deliver it.

The NHS is undergoing the longest and most severe slowdown in funding in its history, starting from 2010.

 

[DrEFC]

Has the actual cash gone down, or has the actual cash not gone up as much as before?

Or has the spending been diverted from A to B within the NHS?

Hasn't increased in line with demand, or costs. Quality of even basic stuff, cannula's ect are poorer. I remember a Cheshire hospital trialling a cheaper glove for surgery- lasted about a day as they kept tearing apart as you put them on. There's no doubt waste, and middle management bloat in the NHS, but tbh, clinical demand has increased so, that Doctors and Nurses can't take on as much admin.