Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

Not sure that is a common sense approach...

China, source of outbreak and kings of discretion and censorship, apparently 3,000 deaths less than ventilator heaven Germany.

They are full of shlte.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Fourty thousand.

*forty

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

commonsense*

That does not emphasise the pause, between Common and Sense... Its like HS2 CONnectivity, couple of months back...

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Fourty thousand.

Didn't 'new data' the other week say it was 55,000?

 

[tsubaki]

That's one country though. Throughout Europe there are a lot of very smart people grappling with this, and it's hard to imagine they're ignoring countries that have got through this relatively unscathed just for the sake of it. I don't hold any sway by Johnson's terrible leadership, or the bumblers he has in his cabinet, but the people on the Sage committee, for instance, are pretty clued up on this stuff, so it seems all kinds of wrong for armchair spectators to absent mindedly throw out accusations that they should just do what South Korea do and we'd all be fine, the economy would be fine, easy peasy.

Who has been doing that? People have been saying they need a proper contact tracing system in place for weeks.

As for the reliance on SAGE, that assumes two things - firstly that they are listening to SAGE and following it’s directions on how to handle this, and secondly that the people on the committee have the knowledge and experience of how to get out of this situation.

Given their attitude to experts on all previous occasions I do not believe the first at all, and given the scale of the crisis is unprecedented I do not see how the second is likely either.

 

[Nymzee]

Social and family contact Since 23 March the Government has asked people to only leave the house for very limited purposes and this has been extraordinarily disruptive to people's lives. In particular this has affected the isolated and vulnerable, and those who live alone. As restrictions continue, the Government is considering a range of options to reduce the most harmful social effects to make the measures more sustainable. For example, the Government has asked SAGE to examine whether, when and how it can safely change the regulations to allow people to expand their household group to include one other household in the same exclusive group.29

Do we think this means say me (living alone) could regularly visit/stay at my parents ignoring social distancing and this would be my "bubble"?

 

[COYBL25]

Didn't 'new data' the other week say it was 55,000?

No that was Dave getting slightly ahead of himself, whilst howling at the moon.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

China, source of outbreak and kings of discretion and censorship, apparently 3,000 deaths less than ventilator heaven Germany.

They are full of shlte.

Its a little late being alert to the dangers of Communist China, a degree of common sense should have been applied over the last 10 years or so.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Who has been doing that? People have been saying they need a proper contact tracing system in place for weeks.

As for the reliance on SAGE, that assumes two things - firstly that they are listening to SAGE and following it’s directions on how to handle this, and secondly that the people on the committee have the knowledge and experience of how to get out of this situation.

Given their attitude to experts on all previous occasions I do not believe the first at all, and given the scale of the crisis is unprecedented I do not see how the second is likely either.

I took your remark that "it doesn't need to be like that" was you saying that the UK response is all wrong and it should be done differently.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

No that was Dave getting slightly ahead of himself, whilst howling at the moon.

I think there is a clique on here doing that.

 

[Joey66]

Who'd have thought the biggest scandal to come out of this pandemic was that @Joey66 found himself unable to get his cock out of the Health Secretary, whilst preaching social distancing to everyone else.

That Hancock you could see the fear in his eyes when this virus started -& TBH he should have been sacked testing was slow care home abandoned from PPE.. etc etc not up to the job....

 

[Hickson9]

I actually made a list a while back. You must excuse me if I don’t give personal replies as it becomes slightly boring when twenty posters ask the same thing to something I have already answered....

Is it on this thread?

I'm only asking as I'm making an effort to break out of the infamous echo chamber. People being convinced they are 100% correct, and that those with opposite viewpoints hold no legitimacy, is a big issue in modern discourse (exacerbated by the internet). I'm guilty of it myself.

 

[Nymzee]

Its a little late being alert to the dangers of Communist China, a degree of common sense should have been applied over the last 10 years or so.

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here.

 

[scratchnsurf]

But as vague and wooly as BJ's speech was, didn't he say exactly that?

That there needed to be more testing and tracing for those next steps to be lifted?

Saying it and doing it are vastly different. The advice given to schools is that if a kid shows symptoms, send them home to be tested. If they test positive, the whole group they are in (15 kids plus at least one adult) isolate for 14 days. In practice, first you have to get to the testing centre. I work in Reading, our test centre is in Oxford. Even if they can get there, the turn around time from testing to result is several days.
In that time, those other individuals are in contact with their families, some of whom will be going to work etc etc.

The only way that advice is actually useful is, if by June 1st, there is local availability of tests, rapid turn over of results and robust contact tracing capability. As it stands, none of those things are in place. The result will be more infections and inevitably more avoidable deaths.

 

[Billy Dean]

this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.

I've got me mar playing defensive midfield