Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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We are massively undercounting. A specialist on TV earlier estimated that millions if not tens of millions of people worldwide are already infected but aren't showing any symptoms.

On the upside, if that's true, it does mean the death rate is markedly lower than we think it is.
the death rate among children is zero
In the over 70s its scary
 
What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.
If I were your mum I'd avoid airport and planes. Places most likely to get infected in.
 
Perspective: Influenza A, B, C and D

The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the World Health Organization

This flu season alone has sickened at least 19 million across the U.S. and led to 10,000 deaths and 180,000 hospitalizations.

In the UK, 13000 people died of the flu in 2008-2009.
 
Perspective: Influenza A, B, C and D

The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the World Health Organization

This flu season alone has sickened at least 19 million across the U.S. and led to 10,000 deaths and 180,000 hospitalizations.

In the UK, 13000 people died of the flu in 2008-2009.

66 million in the UK. A 1% fatality rate if this hits the worst case scenario of 80% of the population is over 500,000 deaths.

It isn't comparable. It looked like it was overblown at the start; it doesn't now.
 
What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.
No medical training so will just pass on the recommendations of a guy who has that would seem to apply in your mum's case -
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, recommended Sunday that elderly and vulnerable Americans limit their exposure to travel and large crowds as the world fights the coronavirus outbreak. In an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Fauci said the elderly and those with "underlying conditions" are "overwhelmingly" more likely to have complications if they catch the coronavirus. "If you are an elderly person with an underlying condition, if you get infected, the risk of getting into trouble is considerable. So it's our responsibility to protect the vulnerable," he said. "When I say 'protect,' I mean right now. Not wait until things get worse. Say no large crowds, no long trips. And above all, don't get on a cruise ship." "This will be a recommendation," Fauci said. "If you're a person with an underlying condition and you are particularly an elderly person with an underlying condition, you need to think twice about getting on a plane, on a long trip. And not only think twice. Just don't get on a cruise ship."

Even without the medical risks, there seems a not insignificant risk that all plane travel between European countries might be grounded and would guess that your Mum would prefer to be at home rather than at yours for an extended period if that happens.
 
What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.

It’s a no brainer, stay at home....
 
And loads of AF medics and docs are regs, so I don’t see your point? They’re trained and should be slotted in.

Retirees would be volunteers, A lot would help fully knowing the risks. Also not all ex NHS staff are old and wrinkly.

As for training it should have started already. The training would be focused and turnkey thereby limiting the time required. Not asking them to perform life saving Ops but simply operate and maintain ventilators and other respiratory equipment.

The point is that the armed forces do not have enough medical staff as it is; thats why NHS reservists play such a massive role and stripping what exists means that the armed forces can't do their actual job of protecting the country, never mind provide the care they currently provide (which is only up to a certain level anyway) for service families, which puts the burden on the NHS.

Saying "get the army in" is all well and good but as we have seen with other crises they just do not have that much capacity to help.
 
What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.
Tell her to bring an extra suitcase full of toilet roll in case you run out
 
What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.
Tell her to postpone would be the only sensible decision. I'm not one for scaremongering and still quite relaxed about this all (what will be will be), but why take an unnecessary risk for something that can be done at a later date?
 
Perspective: Influenza A, B, C and D

The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the World Health Organization

This flu season alone has sickened at least 19 million across the U.S. and led to 10,000 deaths and 180,000 hospitalizations.

In the UK, 13000 people died of the flu in 2008-2009.

Perspective only works when something is finished. 13,000 deaths in 12 months? We’ve only had this virus over here less than a month so let’s just see.
 
Been a blood bath on the markets today.
Not since the crash of '87 has there been this much carnage, not even during the financial crisis.
 
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