Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Paris]

I hope you are right mate but their advice isn't being kept secret by the UK government. Ireland and Denmark are privy to the same advice and they are making different decisions, probably based on their own advice, which isn't coming from Lucas Digne, and will be coming from equally qualified professionals.

Each nation is different. Different populations and demographics, so many more different stats would be fed into models so that they can come to the best solution.

I do think that we're going to see schools closed and sport suspended within the next two weeks however.

 

[tsubaki]

I agree. Italy has a well funded health service, but still it quickly became swamped. Running out of beds, ventilators and staff. The result being the higher proportion of deaths as compared
to China, who were able to build new hospitals and equip them with life saving equipment.

Given the state of our NHS the UK govt should have closed the borders, banned public gatherings, dragged in any and all ex NHS staff, grabbed every bit of available ventilator kit they can find. Called in support from the armed forces and should have started to train this new support army.

Instead. We have done nothing. Wash your hands and self isolate if you feel rough... REALLY!!!!
...

Closing the borders wouldn't have done much, banning public gatherings would be more about sending a message than doing anything (though there would be some value in that), and dragging in any and all ex NHS staff would just result in a load of at-risk people being exposed whilst untrained. I do however agree that they could have done something to temporarily expand the number of beds available to the NHS - there are even now still sites available that with the right amount of money could expand capacity (if not for emergencies then for others).

 

[Tubey]

Closing the borders wouldn't have done much, banning public gatherings would be more about sending a message than doing anything (though there would be some value in that), and dragging in any and all ex NHS staff would just result in a load of at-risk people being exposed whilst untrained. I do however agree that they could have done something to temporarily expand the number of beds available to the NHS - there are even now still sites available that with the right amount of money could expand capacity (if not for emergencies then for others).

We could at least screen temperatures at the airports and at the tunnel.

Just feels like the 'plan' is to do nothing and take the easing of the burdern on the care system due to elderly deaths as a morbid win.

 

[summerisle]

4 cases in the Wirral, 8 in Liverpool.

Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers

Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Billy Dean]

What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.

 

[BlueToff]

We could at least screen temperatures at the airports and at the tunnel.

Just feels like the 'plan' is to do nothing and take the easing of the burdern on the care system due to elderly deaths as a morbid win.

They were doing that six weeks ago weren't they?

Some cases aren't even coming up with any symptoms.

I'm happy to criticise this government but in this instance, with an entirely new disease that all we know about is that it spreads rapidly, I'm not gonna pin the blame game.

How it started is what needs to be the focus.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Closing the borders wouldn't have done much, banning public gatherings would be more about sending a message than doing anything (though there would be some value in that), and dragging in any and all ex NHS staff would just result in a load of at-risk people being exposed whilst untrained. I do however agree that they could have done something to temporarily expand the number of beds available to the NHS - there are even now still sites available that with the right amount of money could expand capacity (if not for emergencies then for others).

Italy ran out of staff mate. The docs and nurses also went down with it. Their health system which is much better than ours collapsed within 2 weeks. No point having beds if you have no ICU ventilators or staff to operate them.

And then you have to look at the knock on effects of people having scheduled life saving ops cancelled, cancer patients missing out on treatment... Etc

There are trained medics, docs in the forces. They need drafting in now. Ex NHS docs and nurses also we will need every one of them.

 

[Connor]

 

[tsubaki]

Italy ran out is staff mate. The docs and nurses also went down with it. Their health system which is much better than ours collapsed within 2 weeks. No point having beds if you have no ICU ventilators or staff to operate them.

And then you have to look at the knock on effects of people having scheduled life saving ops cancelled, cancer patients missing out on treatment... Etc

There are trained medics, docs in the forces. They need drafting in now. Ex NHS docs and nurses also we will need every one of them.

loads of the forces medics (including the one who was killed yesterday) are NHS staff doing reservist duty

ex-NHS staff are also often retirees, who are the most at risk here and would need substantial training

 

[tsubaki]

We could at least screen temperatures at the airports and at the tunnel.

Just feels like the 'plan' is to do nothing and take the easing of the burdern on the care system due to elderly deaths as a morbid win.

The second sentence I agree with, but the first wouldnt detect that many cases and would just cause people to queue where they'd be more at risk.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

loads of the forces medics (including the one who was killed yesterday) are NHS staff doing reservist duty

ex-NHS staff are also often retirees, who are the most at risk here and would need substantial training

And loads of AF medics and docs are regs, so I don’t see your point? They’re trained and should be slotted in.

Retirees would be volunteers, A lot would help fully knowing the risks. Also not all ex NHS staff are old and wrinkly.

As for training it should have started already. The training would be focused and turnkey thereby limiting the time required. Not asking them to perform life saving Ops but simply operate and maintain ventilators and other respiratory equipment.

 

[Nymzee]

What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.

Postpone.

 

[Archie Knox]

My work has just sent an email saying all corporate employees worldwide are to work from home as of tomorrow until minimum end of month.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Governor Hogan of Maryland is giving a press conference now. In short, Maryland is putting in place sweeping social distancing measures.
There is now community spread, with unknown origin. State government closures and limiting of buildings will occur. Activities cancelled. All Maryland schools are closing through the 27th. Childcare provisions for healthcare personnel and meals for students will be provided. Of the 12 cases, 3 have fully recovered, 2 are still hospitalized.

 

[Archie Knox]

What would you do in this situation?

My Mum has a longstanding booking to fly out to visit me here in Germany tomorrow. At the moment she's planning to come because she's following FCO advice which is not warning against travelling to Germany, although an increasing amount of countries are doing so. She's 66, overweight, smoker, has been on meds for high blood pressure in the past etc.

I don't really want her going through 2 airports (Heathrow and Frankfurt - quite big ones) and on a plane. I guess if she gets infected she'll be at high risk of complications and even the worst happening.

On the other hand the German health system seems better equipped to deal with cases so she might be better off over here in the worst case.

But I think it's best to tell her to postpone her trip and stay at home for a while. Any opinions welcome.

Sag es ab mate. The risk isn't worth it.