Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[-Rob-]

The lad who copes under pressure week in, week out

Yeah let's have our country run by a leftback

 

[Connor]

You seem to be the intellectual equivalent of a boiled sprout. You don't actually understand any of what's going on do you?

Yeah let's have our country run by a leftback

Unbelievable that you've taken this seriously

Are you feeling well?

 

[Harryflashman]

Yeah let's have our country run by a leftback

I mean Corona debate aside i’m not convinced it’d be a huge step down from what we’ve currently got

 

[Nymzee]

 

[tsubaki]

businesses have BCP’s, they’re being activated now. Home working is being rolled out, where allowed, across the country

you can’t say the government aren’t doing anything then say it’s people who are to blame for not following advice.

option C is to bring in the military and make sure it’s followed

Then its a good thing I didn't say either.

My problem with this government response is that it is a load of measures for a different policy than the one that the PM just spent 45 minutes claiming to have - to do what they appear to be doing, they need to be honest with people and not hide behind "independent advice", planted questions, leaks and the rest of their panoply of tricks. We also need to be aware of the links this government has to people who have a somewhat Darwinian view of the world.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Digne needs to worry about his performances this season - been absolutely garbage.

 

[Brennan]

You seem to be the intellectual equivalent of a boiled sprout. You don't actually understand any of what's going on do you?

Bit much.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Dunno mate. Maybe we have had the advantage of being a few weeks behind most countries, so have seen the computer modelling we have used being proved? So have placed our faith in that.

Back to LL's comments, the real issue is this (some of these are estimates, but based on actual numbers):

UK 66 million
Infection rate ~ 30-40%
Hospitalization rate ~ 10%
Total hospitalized ~ 2 to 2.5 million hospitalized

Total hospital beds in UK ~ 168,000

So the issue isn't so much "preventing" people from getting the virus, but preventing people from overwhelming the hospital system. If it takes 10 days per person to receive treatment in the hospital, you're looking at a minimum of 120 days hospitalization* to properly treat patients. What you've seen in China is building new hospitals in response to the need for beds. In other nations you see significantly higher fatalities for patients who are older or have underlying medical concerns. Any guesses why the older and unhealthy patients are dying? (Hint: it's related to lack of hospital beds.)

*This ignores the fact that there are other illness that require hospitalization

 

[Wolf8312]

Well done, Katie Porter.

That woman truly is a hero. The kind of leader the US needs right now. Although the cabal of psychopaths in power in Washington, seem determined to make every last US citizen, and of the world get this virus, hopefully this time of crisis will provoke some real leaders with empathy, and integrity to start speaking out on behalf of, and fighting for the people themselves.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Back to LL's comments, the real issue is this (some of these are estimates, but based on actual numbers):

UK 66 million
Infection rate ~ 30-40%
Hospitalization rate ~ 10%
Total hospitalized ~ 2 to 2.5 million hospitalized

Total hospital beds in UK ~ 168,000

So the issue isn't so much "preventing" people from getting the virus, but preventing people from overwhelming the hospital system. If it takes 10 days per person to receive treatment in the hospital, you're looking at a minimum of 120 days hospitalization* to properly treat patients. What you've seen in China is building new hospitals in response to the need for beds. In other nations you see significantly higher fatalities for patients who are older or have underlying medical concerns. Any guesses why the older and unhealthy patients are dying? (Hint: it's related to lack of hospital beds.)

*This ignores the fact that there are other illness that require hospitalization

More importantly, which I didn't specify, the aim of prevention programs like social distancing is to "flatten the curve" to use the appropriate phrase. All of these numbers are the "why" but the "what" is flattening the curve/social distancing. Not prancing about like someone who lost his comb saying that "science" doesn't tell us there is any reason to worry.

 

[BrendanGOT]

Back to LL's comments, the real issue is this (some of these are estimates, but based on actual numbers):

UK 66 million
Infection rate ~ 30-40%
Hospitalization rate ~ 10%
Total hospitalized ~ 2 to 2.5 million hospitalized

Total hospital beds in UK ~ 168,000

So the issue isn't so much "preventing" people from getting the virus, but preventing people from overwhelming the hospital system. If it takes 10 days per person to receive treatment in the hospital, you're looking at a minimum of 120 days hospitalization* to properly treat patients. What you've seen in China is building new hospitals in response to the need for beds. In other nations you see significantly higher fatalities for patients who are older or have underlying medical concerns. Any guesses why the older and unhealthy patients are dying? (Hint: it's related to lack of hospital beds.)

*This ignores the fact that there are other illness that require hospitalization

Where are those numbers from?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Back to LL's comments, the real issue is this (some of these are estimates, but based on actual numbers):

UK 66 million
Infection rate ~ 30-40%
Hospitalization rate ~ 10%
Total hospitalized ~ 2 to 2.5 million hospitalized

Total hospital beds in UK ~ 168,000

So the issue isn't so much "preventing" people from getting the virus, but preventing people from overwhelming the hospital system. If it takes 10 days per person to receive treatment in the hospital, you're looking at a minimum of 120 days hospitalization* to properly treat patients. What you've seen in China is building new hospitals in response to the need for beds. In other nations you see significantly higher fatalities for patients who are older or have underlying medical concerns. Any guesses why the older and unhealthy patients are dying? (Hint: it's related to lack of hospital beds.)

*This ignores the fact that there are other illness that require hospitalization

Also assumes that health workers are sufficiently trained and properly equipped that they don't catch the virus thus can maintain staffing at current levels....at least here is the US that doesn't seem a given.

 

[davek]

Spot on.

Health expert brands UK's coronavirus response 'pathetic'

UK ‘behaving like 19th-century colonialists playing a five-day game of cricket’, says Prof John Ashton

www.theguardian.com

 

[tsubaki]

Back to LL's comments, the real issue is this (some of these are estimates, but based on actual numbers):

UK 66 million
Infection rate ~ 30-40%
Hospitalization rate ~ 10%
Total hospitalized ~ 2 to 2.5 million hospitalized

Total hospital beds in UK ~ 168,000

So the issue isn't so much "preventing" people from getting the virus, but preventing people from overwhelming the hospital system. If it takes 10 days per person to receive treatment in the hospital, you're looking at a minimum of 120 days hospitalization* to properly treat patients. What you've seen in China is building new hospitals in response to the need for beds. In other nations you see significantly higher fatalities for patients who are older or have underlying medical concerns. Any guesses why the older and unhealthy patients are dying? (Hint: it's related to lack of hospital beds.)

*This ignores the fact that there are other illness that require hospitalization

Indeed, and I am still not sure that anything they've announced today does that.

 

[tsubaki]

Well done, Katie Porter.

TBF testing is not the be all and end all of this; treatment is.