Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueStevie35]

M&S was busier than it’s normally been for food shopping earlier, but even then it was only 8 people at most not including me and my mum

Same in the Asda and Home Bargains near me, very minimal people around when I’ve been there in midweek so there are areas where people are taking this lockdown seriously, the problem is people buying into media propaganda and taking things into their own hands. Take this week for example, the hyping up of VE Day today, encouraging people to hold virtual parties or socially distant street parties

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think people swing from wanting to hide to wanting to return to normality . There are a huge amount of factors weighing in on that as well people’s characters , psyche , mental state , financial well being and a lot more . There is a huge difference in the way different people respond to a crisis .

I have to say if you walk through the city centre it is a little 1984 ish . I’m not saying the NHS are doing incredible work , they clearly are , but every electronic sign and billboard blasts out praise . As you say we talk of war , frontline , battling It’s all feeding into this “we’ve got the virus on the run “ mentality .

To be fair, Whitty said right at the start that there will probably be a limit to how long lockdown can be sustained.

 

[arminisgod]

...did you miss the 'with a shop' bit?

They produce for themselves.

no... when have shops been shut? Bakeries are allowed to be open any food shop is

 

[Harryflashman]

To be fair, Whitty said right at the start that there will probably be a limit to how long lockdown can be sustained.

I think that’s stop on . What I sort of mean is , as has been expressed in reports and surveys is that the public are a diverse group and view the lockdown as such and will be the same with its lifting .

on the lockdown I said the other day in a reply to , I believe , @navidson . That although it was obviously a lockdown In Terms that we were restricted as we see it start to lift and as you say people are tiring of it you do wonder , or I do , whether we wasted it by not going harsher on the restrictions.

 

[davek]

no... when have shops been shut? Bakeries are allowed to be open any food shop is

Non-essential shops have been.

The point is that shops not opened for ages are beginning to.

 

[Neiler]

With all the talk of the UK being the highest in Europe, it's perhaps worth remembering that Italy isn't recording deaths in care homes, with many other countries failing to do so too.

Many covid deaths in care homes are unrecorded

Governments are waking up to a hidden calamity

www.economist.com

TBF though you would put a big question mark on the number the UK has reported in care homes, most European countries who have reported them have had an average figure of 40-50% of their total RIP's in care homes on average, the UK's is a fraction of that. Either they have done really well to be very prepared for protecting nursing homes or the number is on the conservative side. They are to be commended though for acknowledging the issue.

 

[paultheblue]

Why has Boris decided to wait till Sunday before telling people what his strategy is ?
Many people will be out there breaking the rules assuming it is all going to change anyway.
Does he even know what he is going to do?
Nicola Sturgeon was far more impressive as a leader decisive and putting people's health first.

 

[whiteshadow]

New cases rising is shocking after almost 2 months of lockdown.

Only thing that's shocking is the level of stupidity and ignorance in your post.

Originally they just tested people that were going in to hospitals, so only the severe cases were being tested. They're now testing thousands of people that have symptoms but aren't in hospital. That's why the number of new cases is going up and is the reason why the number of deaths won't necessarily rise.

 

[Catfish Blues]

While death rates dropped in Spain new cases rose as they improved testing capability, fingers crossed its the same story in the UK

Rather than just looking at the headline number of new cases, you also need to look at the percentage of positive tests.

I havn't checked it, but if the number of new cases was rising against a background drop in % positive tests, then I'd take that as being a good thing. If both the number of new cases, and the % of positive tests were rising, then I'd be concerned.

 

[Brennan]

While death rates dropped in Spain new cases rose as they improved testing capability, fingers crossed its the same story in the UK

Can’t be an option as Spanish Government aren’t MURDERERS.

 

[Barnfred 55]

TBF though you would put a big question mark on the number the UK has reported in care homes, most European countries who have reported them have had an average figure of 40-50% of their total RIP's in care homes on average, the UK's is a fraction of that. Either they have done really well to be very prepared for protecting nursing homes or the number is on the conservative side. They are to be commended though for acknowledging the issue.

You need to add in the suspected CV deaths from before we were testing in care homes. That would increase the percentage figures substantially. There are many thousands of these.

You have to remember the daily figures quoted are just those who have tested positive. I'm sure the ONS can come up with a fairly reliable figure for those with suspected CV on their death certs

 

[zzr45]

You need to add in the suspected CV deaths from before we were testing in care homes. That would increase the percentage figures substantially. There are many thousands of these.

You have to remember the daily figures quoted are just those who have tested positive. I'm sure the ONS can come up with a fairly reliable figure for those with suspected CV on their death certs

They have been doing. There was a revision a few weeks back that wasn’t nearly as high as people had hoped for.

 

[orly]

Maybe garden centres opening where it's easy to socially distance

It's crucial that they reopen for the survival of that particular industry.

 

[PhilM]

This is quite true in my experience. It can be infuriating a lot of the time but during this pandemic it's been quite reassuring. But of course they're not perfect in this regard and there have been people breaking the rules. But I think Dave has a point. There is a lot more trust here in leaders than in the UK, at least from what I can tell, other Germans or German-based people reading this might have another opinion.

Oh there certainly is and I would be naive to think that the failings of our political leadership now and in the past haven't or aren't playing a part.

However, I would then again say that the way that German society and their work and business ethics, with their similarities to government, play a big part as well.

From my own experiences, there were clear boundaries between what you were expect to do and not to do, and leadership structures play a big part in that.

Germans work harder and more effectively, not longer. In the mainstay, they know their role and do what is asked, but once you're at home it's respected.

Their politics isn't some perfect system without disharmony or distrust, but in the mainstay the govt. appeared to be more aware (respectful) of their responsibilities.

 

[Toast]

It's crucial that they reopen for the survival of that particular industry.

My mates a manger of garden centre type store.
Over £20k of fresh flowers and plants he literally binned as he couldn't justify paying staff to come in and water them not knowing when he could re open.
That's not a lot of loss for some places, but was massive for that store.