Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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For those speculating on pubs and the future , the full statement from the British Beer & Pub association-


40% of Britain’s pubs won’t survive beyond September, unless Government helps them

As speculation increases that pubs will be the last to re-open from lockdown, BBPA urges Government to do more to ensure they survive – with new research showing thousands of pubs will close without more support
40% of Britain’s 47,000 pubs won’t survive beyond September, unless they get more support from Government to get them through the COVID-19 lockdown.
The findings, from a survey by the British Beer & Pub Association of its membership, would mean that nearly 19,000 of the UK’s 47,000 pubs could stay closed permanently without greater Government support.
The findings come as speculation begins over the Government’s ‘un-lockdown’ plan and roadmap, where it is speculated pubs may not open until as late as the end of August. If so, this would make the bleak results of the trade association’s survey a dangerous reality.
Members of the trade association were asked to identify up until which point during the current lockdown would their businesses, or significant parts of it, be unable to survive at the current level of Government support provided. 40% said that this would happen by the end of September, for some much sooner. The stark numbers mean that with the current level of support from the Government and the possible late August re-opening of pubs, that across the wider sector, 18,800 pubs won’t survive and be able to reopen.
Such a situation would be devastating to the iconic and world-renowned British beer and pub sector, resulting in the loss of 320,000 pub jobs in regions across the UK. The social hub and heart of the communities of many towns, villages and cities across the UK would also be lost forever – resulting in immeasurable damage to the wellbeing of much of the population.
As the Government begins to unveil its lockdown plans, the British Beer & Pub Association is urgently calling on it to give pubs all the support they need to get through their prolonged lockdown. It is also calling on the Government to recognise that pubs will need additional specific support to survive as they are allowed to re-open too, ensuring their businesses are commercially viable while they have to operate under social distancing restrictions that will inevitably reduce revenues significantly.
To achieve this, the trade association says the Government must:
  1. Extend its grant support programme for pub businesses throughout the lockdown of pubs and the early stages of reopening
  2. Raise the threshold for the grant support scheme above the £51,000 rateable value, so 10,000 more pubs can access grants
  3. Extend the Job Retention Scheme for pubs beyond June and throughout their lockdown, as well as operate a specific ‘back to work scheme’ for pubs and breweries, to help protect 900,000 jobs
  4. Start to consider the fiscal measures needed for the longer term sustainability of our sector such as reduced VAT rates for the hospitality sector and further support on beer duty
The Government must understand that pubs and brewers are facing a huge weekly cash burn without any revenue at present, as the grants and job retention scheme payments only cover a proportion of costs.
Emma McClarkin, Chief Executive of the British Beer & Pub Association, said:
“Nearly half of the UK’s pubs could close unless the Government does more to help them. For the sake of communities and jobs across the UK – as well as the very institution of the great British pub – the Government cannot allow that to happen.
“Nearly 19,000 pubs are at risk and 320,000 jobs too. If the Government takes decisive action now to properly help pubs both through the current lockdown and when social distancing restrictions are in place, then these pubs and jobs can be saved.
“Pubs are losing cash fast. The Government must understand that the current financial support they are giving, although welcome, does not go anywhere near enough to help pubs in an extended lockdown or when they can reopen under social distancing restrictions.
“Our ask to the Government is clear, recognise the real jeopardy facing the great British pub and act now to save it, or risk losing many locals and their communities forever.”
 
New cases rising.
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Daily deaths decreasing
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The caution needs to be with the two week delay in deaths. We saw the new cases decrease, now deaths are decreasing. However new cases are currently rising we need to ensure deaths don't rise again in two weeks time.

Interesting site this especially looking at other countries trends and patterns.

 
We cant do what they're doing because we have terrible leadership. I have no confidence whatsoever in what they tell us. I think that feeling is rife.
Perhaps we have, but again I think you are (wittingly or unwittingly) choosing to ignore the point and diverting a message to suit your own rhetoric.

Germany isn't some politically harmonious state where everything is fine and rosy and nor is it socially; however, their deep-rooted social norms will surely help.

If we had the same governments and asking the public to do the same things, you would not get the same result by any stretch and we know who'd prosper more.
I once crossed an empty road in Cologne when the man on the traffic lights said not to and was stared at like I was murdering a child with my bare hands for doing so. I imagine going against the lockdown guidelines would have resulted in a public lynching.
They have so many rules (well they're not rules, but just social norms) that simply don't correlate with life here in the UK; they are far more rigid in what's expected.
 
New cases rising.
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Daily deaths decreasing
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The caution needs to be with the two week delay in deaths. We saw the new cases decrease, now deaths are decreasing. However new cases are currently rising we need to ensure deaths don't rise again in two weeks time.

Interesting site this especially looking at other countries trends and patterns.

New cases rising is shocking after almost 2 months of lockdown.

It indicates that the lockdown has been a failure in terms of keeping outside (foreign) infected people out and a domestic lockdown programme that's been way too lax.
 
I'm still not getting it.

The premise seemed to be that concentration of large and small towns increased Covid19 transmission, but Germany doesn't support that....then I got "car emissions" as an answer. :oops:

Volkswagen fiddled emissions stats on their vehicles.

 
Perhaps we have, but again I think you are (wittingly or unwittingly) choosing to ignore the point and diverting a message to suit your own rhetoric.

Germany isn't some politically harmonious state where everything is fine and rosy and nor is it socially; however, their deep-rooted social norms will surely help.


They have so many rules (well they're not rules, but just social norms) that simply don't correlate with life here in the UK; they are far more rigid in what's expected.
There's no rhetoric involved in pointing to a calamitoius performance in governance. It's just a statement of FACT.

As for 'deep rooted social norms' that's just too woolly an explanation. Look at the Latin nations of Span and Italy, not exaclty known for their compliance with authorities, and they have just weathered 2 months of effective prison and are now getting on top of the virus.
 
New cases rising is shocking after almost 2 months of lockdown.

It indicates that the lockdown has been a failure in terms of keeping outside (foreign) infected people out and a domestic lockdown programme that's been way too lax.

But you haven't got the data from 2 months of no lockdown to compare against so you can't deem it a failure can you?
 
Knowing Germany it wouldn't surprise me if they've reported deaths caused by Covid instead of everyone who dies with it like we have!

Im pretty sure I read a while ago they were reporting deaths such as if someone dies of cancer but tests postive for the virus they still died of cancer - whereas we do the opposite and put COVID on the death certificate.

Reality is that its near impossible to know who is doing it the right way at present - the only one for sure who has fiddled the books is China as no way did they escape with as few deaths as they have reported.
 
New cases rising.
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Daily deaths decreasing
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The caution needs to be with the two week delay in deaths. We saw the new cases decrease, now deaths are decreasing. However new cases are currently rising we need to ensure deaths don't rise again in two weeks time.

Interesting site this especially looking at other countries trends and patterns.


I just hope the virus starts burning out and becomes less deadly - if it does then it doesnt matter how infectious it is.
 
Knowing Germany it wouldn't surprise me if they've reported deaths caused by Covid instead of everyone who dies with it like we have!
No they're reporting all deaths where the patient has tested positive for Covid, even if that may not have been the direct cause. What they're not doing is routine posthumous testing. At least they weren't the last time I checked.
 
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