Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[spectateur]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

As long as it still has 2 hands.

 

[roydo]

I'm no fan of Trump, who is?, but he said yesterday he'd seen evidence this was started in a Chinese Lab but could not go into it.

Then today the Mirror lead headline is a group of intelligence agencies from several countries have put together a secret report blaming China.

No smoke without fire springs to mind.

Trump and the Mirror you say?

Ok mate.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It is inconceivable that Covid-19 deaths is not significantly higher than the reported figures.

I agree with this as regards the new daily reported figures. But they do make it very clear that these figures relate only to people who have tested positive for CV-19, ergo all the suspected deaths from the community and care homes before they extended the testing are not included.

How many of these suspected deaths there are I don't know and I don't know whether the ONS have a separate record for these deaths. But as I said, you need to add these to the confirmed deaths to get an accurate figure. The government need to be clear on this and make an official announcement on the number of these deaths to put an end to discussions like we're having now.

I believe that these suspected deaths are being over estimated. The reason for that is GPs are advised to include CV19 on the death certificate if the deceased showed symptoms of the virus. In my opinion, there are going to be more cases where the symptoms do not relate to CV19 (maybe a common cold or other flu virus) but are included on the death certificate, than there are cases where somebody died of CV19 but showed no symptoms, so CV19 is not included on the death certificate. Do you think that is sound reasoning?. If not, why do you think so. I'm no medical expert so I could be missing something obvious.

 

[spectateur]

@spectateur iirc you are in France?

Just wondering how this red/green concept is being communicated and implemented there? Think India is doing the same thing.

Yes in France. From the 11th May some easing of the lockdown regulations is promised as long as the number of new cases continues to come down.
Each department is being assessed according to the severity of the covid infections.
Red areas will experience the lowest level of easing, the green départements will be allowed fewer restrictions.
I'm in a green area so I hope that travel will be allowed upto 100km.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Awful, simply awful situation in Manaus

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

This staged release of the lock down in Ireland seems eminently sensible.

Mind you, you can only do it if you've flattened out the case numbers of this virus.


From May, the five phases of lockdown easing in Ireland are:

Phase 1 (18 May)

• Outdoor meetings of up to four people from different households will be allowed and childcare for healthcare workers will be opened.
• Outdoor work, such as construction and gardening, to resume.
• Some shops, such as those selling stationery and IT equipment and opticians can also reopen.
• Retail outlets that are primarily outdoors, such as garden centres, hardware stores and repair shops can reopen.
• Current rules restricting funerals up to 10 people still apply.
• Schools and college buildings will reopen to teachers only.

Phase 2 (8 June)

• Visits to a different household by groups of up to four people will be allowed, as long as they maintain a 2-metre distance from those they don’t live with.
• Small retail outlets can open with physical distancing measures in place.
• Libraries can open again.

Phase 3 (29 June)

• Sporting events can resume behind closed doors.
• Cafes and restaurants can reopen with physical distancing measures and strict cleaning protocols.
• Playgrounds can reopen.
• Those with low levels of interaction in their jobs can return to work.
• Non-essential retail, such as clothes shops, can reopen, but this is limited to those with street-level entrances and does not include shops inside shopping centres.

Phase 4 (20 July)

• Movement beyond a 20km radius will be allowed.
• Small social gatherings by family and close friends, including small weddings and baptisms, will be allowed with a maximum number of attendees and physical distancing in place.
• Larger numbers can visit another household for a limited period of time, while maintaining physical distancing.
• Those who cannot work at home can return to work.
• Museums, galleries and churches can reopen.

Phase 5 (10 August)

• Some larger social gatherings will be allowed, with restrictions in place.
• On a phased basis, schools and universities can start to reopen.

What would you class as small retail in phase 2 and non essential retail in phase 3? Just curious on your opinion.

 

[zzr45]

I'm no fan of Trump, who is?, but he said yesterday he'd seen evidence this was started in a Chinese Lab but could not go into it.

Then today the Mirror lead headline is a group of intelligence agencies from several countries have put together a secret report blaming China.

No smoke without fire springs to mind.

No they haven’t. They’ve put together a report that said China suppressed news of the spread of the virus. Exactly as they did with SARS. It isn’t that secret either as it’s been mentioned on here multiple times alone.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Nobody is attacking those who have got the tests out. That's a ridiculous statement. Had the government not sat on their hands until mid-March we wouldn't be in this position. Truly staggering that they're getting a free pass on this by some.

You are aware that Government is not just made up of ministers?

Who do you think advised Hancock and Johnson to rely solely on PHE labs to do 100% of the testing initially.?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I don't think the government are getting a free pass. I said earlier, and indeed Hancock himself said in his statement, that mistakes have been made, and those involved in getting testing levels up worked to fix them. I'm largely operating on the belief that mistakes are going to happen, due in large part because this is hugely complex and largely unprecedented, and it's not in our best interests to sack the leader every time a mistake is made.

Agree with that except Hancock really could do with replacing. He's out of his depth and we need somebody more competent in that role.

 

[davek]

What would you class as small retail in phase 2 and non essential retail in phase 3? Just curious on your opinion.

I can see the crossover, like.

I'd say things like bookshops could fit both small retail in phase 2 and non-essential retail in phase 3.

I'm sure as May 18th approaches they'll be more specific.

 

[Moomin]

I'm no fan of Trump, who is?, but he said yesterday he'd seen evidence this was started in a Chinese Lab but could not go into it.

Then today the Mirror lead headline is a group of intelligence agencies from several countries have put together a secret report blaming China.

No smoke without fire springs to mind.

Will you be injecting bleach later then?

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

I can see the crossover, like.

I'd say things like bookshops could fit both small retail in phase 2 and non-essential retail in phase 3.

I'm sure as May 18th approaches they'll be more specific.

Do you think our lot will follow this manifesto in a way? I mean surely they'll want to show leadership but a similar system would work well. If Boris wants to get people back into work as early as next month then that means kids must go back early as well.

 

[davek]

Just been for my daily walk, streets and park was rammed, lockdown is over round here for sure.

Won’t lie, I take my dog out at 6 in the morning and then again in the evening. I do a full circuit outside of Stanley Park and definitely noticed a marked increase in car traffic over the last week. Tbf the Park itself wasn’t that bad considering the nice weather

It was deffo the "busiest" I have seen in my town today. But it wasnt in the slightest rammed. I reckon folk have got used to the social distancing now, insofar that is no longer a pain, its the new normal. So folk are doing smaller, but more frequent shops and that.

The park on the edge of town was largely empty, with hardly any cars parked up to enjoy it.

It's been very similar round my way.

...which is why it's essential to at least get these divvies wearing face masks.

 

[roydo]

I can see the crossover, like.

I'd say things like bookshops could fit both small retail in phase 2 and non-essential retail in phase 3.

I'm sure as May 18th approaches they'll be more specific.

As this thing has developed, and social distancing has become the norm, I cant really get why queuing to get in a bookshop or clothes shop is more dangerous than a supermarket.

If the owners dont want to, then fine. But I reckon the vast majority of folk would still observe the discipline.

Pubs and restaurants different beer mind. Although I could see a restaurant plan being easier.

 

[peteblue]

You are aware that Government is not just made up of ministers?

Who do you think advised Hancock and Johnson to rely solely on PHE labs to do 100% of the testing initially.?

I find that applying logic or common sense against tribal political accusations rarely works in here. Obviously there are exceptions. Sometimes you think you are responding to an intelligent poster with reason, but then the anti-tory bug in their heads clicks in and they take you down some stupid and dark rabbit hole where they can get offended by something else. They seem to think that the 300+ tory MP’s are doing all the actual work, therefore they have failed because they didn’t make enough ppe or not enough people turned up for testing. It’s like four people in a room, A, gets shot, B is standing there with a smoking gun and D points at C and accuses him of being a murderer because he didn’t protect A. B gets totally ignored and let off because D likes him.....