Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

What is of equal importance is the standard of testing. Not sure a soldier, even perhaps a medic is properly trained
to carry out the procedure. Out of interest, are any other countries in europe using the military to do the procedure?

That's a really important point. The suggestion last week was that the home tests probably won't be that successful at giving results once they are processed. The feeling is that without trained testers and the ability to process quickly a lot of results will be void or unsuitable.

 

[Prevenger17]

I'm just winding a few folk up fella who hammered me for saying it's come from a Lab, pulling legs, it's all good bantz!, some are really spitting their dummies out though it's great.

LOL PWN THEM LAD TOP BANTAAAA

 

[roydo]

And will they?

 

[LinekersLegs]

And will they?

If the snippets I’ve seen of the show “Jersey Shore” are to go by - not a chance!

 

[Barnfred 55]

Secondly - a large chunk of the excess deaths occurred in care homes where until recently people were not tested, which almost certainly lead to an under-reporting of Covid-19 deaths.

In fairness I pointed out this very fact in my post

As regards the combined figures now being published daily, correct me if I'm wrong but don't these still only apply to those who have tested positive, whether it be in hospital, care homes or the community. I don't think they include the suspected CV deaths in the community/care homes and I mentioned this in a previous post I made when the combined deaths figure was first published. I'm not sure whether the ONS publish a separate figure for suspected CV, but these would need to be added to the new daily figure for a more accurate total, and this would no doubt account for a fair amount of the shortfall.

 

[sbbefc]

As I said, they (Hancock) shouldn't have set such a target. If I cast my mind back to the days before he announced it, ministers and others were getting hammered by the likes of Piers Morgan for apparent poor performance with testing, and so out popped a magic number because they kept hectoring for one. That things were fiddled to ensure the target was met is no real surprise, as it's what happens with most targets in life. Any kind of organisational experience can attest to that, and it's what I've said ever since it was announced.

What bothers me with those who jump on the progress (or lack thereof) in terms of meeting that target is that they almost certainly have no idea what the challenges have been in improving testing capacity, or what work has gone into overcoming those challenges. Yet despite this undoubted ignorance, they continue their abuse regardless. They seem oblivious to the fact that it's not just Hancock they're abusing, but the people in all of the organisations Hancock references who have been working on this challenge.

We clap NHS workers every week, yet seem happy to abuse those who work in the procurement or testing. I just wish we were more forgiving and kinder to all people during this time. Heaven knows, it's almost certain that neither you nor I could do any better.

Nobody is attacking those who have got the tests out. That's a ridiculous statement. Had the government not sat on their hands until mid-March we wouldn't be in this position. Truly staggering that they're getting a free pass on this by some.

 

[Goat]

Just been for my daily walk, streets and park was rammed, lockdown is over round here for sure.

 

[TommyDavo]

Just been for my daily walk, streets and park was rammed, lockdown is over round here for sure.

Won’t lie, I take my dog out at 6 in the morning and then again in the evening. I do a full circuit outside of Stanley Park and definitely noticed a marked increase in car traffic over the last week. Tbf the Park itself wasn’t that bad considering the nice weather

 

[davek]

Just been for my daily walk, streets and park was rammed, lockdown is over round here for sure.

And Liverpool FC are 'outraged' at any idea their kamikaze fans will gather in their thousands around Anfield if they had the title handed to them.

 

[davek]

This staged release of the lock down in Ireland seems eminently sensible.

Mind you, you can only do it if you've flattened out the case numbers of this virus.


From May, the five phases of lockdown easing in Ireland are:

Phase 1 (18 May)

• Outdoor meetings of up to four people from different households will be allowed and childcare for healthcare workers will be opened.
• Outdoor work, such as construction and gardening, to resume.
• Some shops, such as those selling stationery and IT equipment and opticians can also reopen.
• Retail outlets that are primarily outdoors, such as garden centres, hardware stores and repair shops can reopen.
• Current rules restricting funerals up to 10 people still apply.
• Schools and college buildings will reopen to teachers only.

Phase 2 (8 June)

• Visits to a different household by groups of up to four people will be allowed, as long as they maintain a 2-metre distance from those they don’t live with.
• Small retail outlets can open with physical distancing measures in place.
• Libraries can open again.

Phase 3 (29 June)

• Sporting events can resume behind closed doors.
• Cafes and restaurants can reopen with physical distancing measures and strict cleaning protocols.
• Playgrounds can reopen.
• Those with low levels of interaction in their jobs can return to work.
• Non-essential retail, such as clothes shops, can reopen, but this is limited to those with street-level entrances and does not include shops inside shopping centres.

Phase 4 (20 July)

• Movement beyond a 20km radius will be allowed.
• Small social gatherings by family and close friends, including small weddings and baptisms, will be allowed with a maximum number of attendees and physical distancing in place.
• Larger numbers can visit another household for a limited period of time, while maintaining physical distancing.
• Those who cannot work at home can return to work.
• Museums, galleries and churches can reopen.

Phase 5 (10 August)

• Some larger social gatherings will be allowed, with restrictions in place.
• On a phased basis, schools and universities can start to reopen.

 

[roydo]

Just been for my daily walk, streets and park was rammed, lockdown is over round here for sure.

It was deffo the "busiest" I have seen in my town today. But it wasnt in the slightest rammed. I reckon folk have got used to the social distancing now, insofar that is no longer a pain, its the new normal. So folk are doing smaller, but more frequent shops and that.

The park on the edge of town was largely empty, with hardly any cars parked up to enjoy it.

 

[BlueStevie35]

This staged release of the lock down in Ireland seems eminently sensible.

Mind you, you can only do it if you've flattened out the case numbers of this virus.


From May, the five phases of lockdown easing in Ireland are:

Phase 1 (18 May)

• Outdoor meetings of up to four people from different households will be allowed and childcare for healthcare workers will be opened.
• Outdoor work, such as construction and gardening, to resume.
• Some shops, such as those selling stationery and IT equipment and opticians can also reopen.
• Retail outlets that are primarily outdoors, such as garden centres, hardware stores and repair shops can reopen.
• Current rules restricting funerals up to 10 people still apply.
• Schools and college buildings will reopen to teachers only.

Phase 2 (8 June)

• Visits to a different household by groups of up to four people will be allowed, as long as they maintain a 2-metre distance from those they don’t live with.
• Small retail outlets can open with physical distancing measures in place.
• Libraries can open again.

Phase 3 (29 June)

• Sporting events can resume behind closed doors.
• Cafes and restaurants can reopen with physical distancing measures and strict cleaning protocols.
• Playgrounds can reopen.
• Those with low levels of interaction in their jobs can return to work.
• Non-essential retail, such as clothes shops, can reopen, but this is limited to those with street-level entrances and does not include shops inside shopping centres.

Phase 4 (20 July)

• Movement beyond a 20km radius will be allowed.
• Small social gatherings by family and close friends, including small weddings and baptisms, will be allowed with a maximum number of attendees and physical distancing in place.
• Larger numbers can visit another household for a limited period of time, while maintaining physical distancing.
• Those who cannot work at home can return to work.
• Museums, galleries and churches can reopen.

Phase 5 (10 August)

• Some larger social gatherings will be allowed, with restrictions in place.
• On a phased basis, schools and universities can start to reopen.

If they go along the same lines here, then it’d be frustrating having to wait for what would be 14 weeks (including the six already down) to go back to my job at Primark but I’d be able to live with it if it meant the death rates eased off

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just been for my daily walk, streets and park was rammed, lockdown is over round here for sure.

It's been very similar round my way.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Whatever floats your boat.

Like I said, you have an opinion. You dont know.

Having an idiot agreeing with you isnt really winding anyone up. Its just bewildering.

I'm no fan of Trump, who is?, but he said yesterday he'd seen evidence this was started in a Chinese Lab but could not go into it.

Then today the Mirror lead headline is a group of intelligence agencies from several countries have put together a secret report blaming China.

No smoke without fire springs to mind.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Nobody is attacking those who have got the tests out. That's a ridiculous statement. Had the government not sat on their hands until mid-March we wouldn't be in this position. Truly staggering that they're getting a free pass on this by some.

I don't think the government are getting a free pass. I said earlier, and indeed Hancock himself said in his statement, that mistakes have been made, and those involved in getting testing levels up worked to fix them. I'm largely operating on the belief that mistakes are going to happen, due in large part because this is hugely complex and largely unprecedented, and it's not in our best interests to sack the leader every time a mistake is made.