Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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You are getting worried aren't you mate I can tell, a little more time and it will all come out...

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It's pretty amazing that you've flipped from Corbyn fanboy to straight on to Donald's cock.

If you want to delude yourself that I’m getting worried that it’s all a Chinese conspiracy, knock yourself out.

Tbh I think you’re completely gullible and have parents that were related.
 
Cheers for that mate.

Couple of things. I don't think it's prudent to compare with 2019 figures alone as that may have been a particularly high or low level of deaths looked at in isolation. Better to use an average and not sure if this alters your figures in any way. Also, how have you got comparisons up to 27th April. Do you have another source of information through your employment?. The ONS figures only go up to the 17th April I believe.

As regards the combined figures now being published daily, correct me if I'm wrong but don't these still only apply to those who have tested positive, whether it be in hospital, care homes or the community. I don't think they include the suspected CV deaths in the community/care homes and I mentioned this in a previous post I made when the combined deaths figure was first published. I'm not sure whether the ONS publish a separate figure for suspected CV, but these would need to be added to the new daily figure for a more accurate total, and this would no doubt account for a fair amount of the shortfall.

I also think it's far too easy to say the difference between A and B equals C as there must be other factors to apply to make it accurate. For instance, I would argue that death through heart attack and stroke every week are possibly 10 fold that of car accident deaths. Given that some places are reporting a 70% reduction in heart attack and stroke referrals a lot of these will increase the risk of death without treatment. Same with things like burst ulcers/appendix and other ailments were swift treatment is crucial. I think it's a big step to take to offset all these against a reduction in car accident deaths. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there has been a lot more suicides than usual.

I know you won't like me saying this, but actuarial science is not an exact science, and I think it is wrong to assume the difference in deaths is purely down to CV19 which is what you have basically done. For instance, in that 6 week period you speak of, you could reasonably expect 13000 to die from heart attack or stroke. If the hospitals are only getting 30% referrals for both, how many more people are dying because they aren't getting quick medical assistance?. As an actuary who specialises in mortality data, you will have more idea than me. But I'm pretty sure that it will be a lot more than the approximate 150 fewer deaths from road accidents you would expect from reduced motoring levels over the same period.

A few points in reply - if we took the average mortality rate over 5 years as you suggest, the excess deaths would be even higher as mortality has on average improved over the last 5 years.

Secondly - a large chunk of the excess deaths occurred in care homes where until recently people were not tested, which almost certainly lead to an under-reporting of Covid-19 deaths.

It is inconceivable that Covid-19 deaths is not significantly higher than the reported figures.
 
Just had a question on tv about wene grandparents can see grandchildren didnt really here the answer .But my thinking on it is now is probably the best time to see them while averyone is staying home as much as possible. Because when the kids go back to school its going to be alot worse so if we can't see them now there's no chance when they're at school.
 
Admitting to winding up in current affairs/middle finger to staff
Why do you post clips of an idiot all the time?

Like you, I dont know how this thing started. But if I thought I did, I wouldnt cite an idiot as some sort of validation.
I'm just winding a few folk up fella who hammered me for saying it's come from a Lab, pulling legs, it's all good bantz!, some are really spitting their dummies out though it's great.
 
It's pretty amazing you like many others think this all started innocently by a bloke buying Bats for his tea, because the totally trustworthy CCP told you so.

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It's pretty amazing that you're starting to claim other people are getting worried, but are pretty clearly now resorting to really crappy trolling to convince people that what your saying is true.

Honestly, you're thick as [Poor language removed] and it's coming over time and again. You can't even argue points coherently because even you don't understand the point you're making.

If this is how you're entertaining yourself during the lockdown, by claiming to believe in a conspiracy theory and the latching on to the fact Trump has mentioned it, then in all honesty I feel sad for you.
 
Getting tests to people is one thing, getting those tests processed is another thing entirely.
But, I'm not really bothered about an arbitrary figure, testing capacity is increasing, that's the important thing.
What is of equal importance is the standard of testing. Not sure a soldier, even perhaps a medic is properly trained
to carry out the procedure. Out of interest, are any other countries in europe using the military to do the procedure?
 
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