Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Huyton Layne]

I see we're getting to accusing doctors of lying about death causes to help the anti government message but a little while ago poo poo'd the idea of Boris not being ill and some doctor lying about it to help the Tory propaganda

Give you heads a wobble you 'kin horrible Tory melts.

Taking a break, peace.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Having posted earlier today.....

The question of an exit strategy and when will there be one and how will it look, has been a topic in the media recently and with the well reported collapse in the oil price last week, economic matters and can we recover after such huge crisis spending and a worldwide lockdown has been the question.

I must admit to thinking the stock market(s) - since they're global and 24 hrs now - on the verge of a crash only a week ago, but while the oil price continues to cause concern the FTSE100 here has perversely turned higher reaching a seven week high and recovering more than 20% from the March low which is 'bull' market territory, and perhaps the start of a speculative run even higher. The markets nearly always move higher or lower in tandem so pretty much reflected elsewhere.

The only explanation is they're betting on a 'V' shaped recovery where we've hit the bottom with industry and commerce still in sufficiently reasonable shape to respond to the future relaxation of the measures.

Large amounts of cash idle could conceivably fuel a consumer led boom as some return to work in the near future.

Important to note these markets are international in nature and won't just reflect what's going on here.

It seems an extremely optimistic view to me but it's always said they react to what they think is going to happen rather than the situation right now.

So difficult to read and when they do go up to use the old cliché, 'they always climb a wall of fear' with so many predicting the edge of a cliff coming soon - almost at every step of the way up.

Apparently....

Shares across the board are higher on hopes of a breakthrough with the vaccine testing.

American biopharmaceutical firm Gilead said early results from its trial of its experimental drug to treat Covid-19 show an improved rate of recovery compared to non treated patients and could be the first effective treatment for the virus.

Obviously word has got round.

Gilead shares up 7%

US indexes up, the S & P 500 up 2.4% despite woeful economic news

FTSE 100 up 2.63% and the more domestic based 250 up more than 3.5%

 

[roydo]

Go back and check the COVID19 updates, its all there. I'm confident and stand by it.

Show me where anyone has said "we are doing great against Italy".

Or anyone else for that matter. Simply hasnt happened.

 

[tsubaki]

Ha Ha. Sorry. When I clicked the link I only saw my post as yours was hidden.

OK.

Firstly, I never posted that original link, I only responded to it asking the poster does he not think Farage has a point. I also qualified that point in my post.

Farage's comments about 1985 and your reference to "The lives of others" are to a large degree lost on me. Apologies for my ignorance in that regard. In my post I was referring to the BBC article and specifically that part relating to people reporting neighbours to the police if they left the house more than once. Apart from being a waste of police time I thought it was the sort of thing you might expect in a police state. You responded saying No he doesn't have a point, and that you basically agreed with the practice. If you had left it there I probably would have said fair do's and added something like I'm glad I don't live in your street.

But you didn't leave it there, you carried on with a couple more paragraphs of political stuff about Farage. That's why I put you on ignore, because it followed on from a number of other conversations you and I had previously had on the subject of political postings in this thread.

On the subject of Farage, you will find quite a few other posts on here when I have disagreed and/or distanced myself from comments he has made. I don't see you highlighting those posts to make your point. And for the record, it just happened to be Farage who made a twitter feed on that BBC article. Had it been somebody else, whether that be Johnson, or Corbyn, or Starmer or Morgan, I would still have made the same point. Ergo, it wasn't about Farage, it was about the subject of the BBC article.

Which is an awful lot of words for "I think its ok for me to bring things up, but not for other people to disagree".

 

[davek]

Just wait, the Government will run round with death rates that include just care homes and hospital, and proclaim its not that bad, as if it were a balance sheet or a share price drop. The next phase will be deaths per million...

What a chilling couple of answers from Raab and one of the politicised witch doctors regarding care home deaths:

The Mirror's Dan Bloom asks whether deaths in care homes may have been avoided if more rigorous testing and screening had been carried out and residents who were discharged from hospital had been routinely tested before 16 April.

Mr Raab says the government will learn lessons from this unique and unprecedented public health crisis, including for care homes.

He says the objective has been to monitor and manage the "ebb and flow" of the transmission of the virus in care homes.

Dr Doyle says it is an interesting question. She suggests a high mortality rate in care homes was to be expected given that over-75s were particularly vulnerable to high doses of the virus.

However, she says a future review of the handling of the crisis will look at the "structure of care homes".

They're not at all in the business of eliminating deaths from Covid19 in the care homes - it's expected and it'll be managed.

It's absolutley monstrous.

Johnson, Raab, HanCOCK et al and their witchdoctors Whitty, Vallance, Harries et al should be in front of a war crimes tribunal and be facing the ultimate sentence.

 

[Minimeister]

So if Boris's dad is taken seriously ill next (whilst secretly holidaying in the Bahamas) and Boris has to be by his side, would that be most of a general election campaign and this disaster that he's somehow managed to avoid?

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

My sister lives in Switzerland. Bars re opening on June 8th. They went into lockdown a couple of weeks before us

I see 'spoons is planning on reopening in June.

A bit depressing that we’re still that far away tbh!!

 

[Barnfred 55]

I know mate, it was almost like they were disappointed with with the eventual care home figures.

I'm not sure if everybody on here quite understands just how our care/nursing home system works. I know you are a similar age to me so may have had parents who have "gone through" the system or even part of the system now. It's also important to distinguish between care homes and independent living arrangements in which elderly people live in communities.

Essentially people go in there once it has been decided that they can no longer be cared for in their own home, bearing in mind that most will already have had carers coming into their homes previously. They are mostly infirm to some degree or have some form of dementia. I have personal experience of 3 family members in care homes, my mum, who lived 3 months, my mum in law, who lived 10 months, and my wife's uncle, who lasted nearly 2 years. The average time spent in care homes is around 12 months, so my experience is pretty much indicative of that. So an average size care home with 100 residents would, on average, experience 2 deaths per week. All families are asked to sign an agreement on resuscitation/non resuscitation within 48 hours of admittance, and once the resident dies, such is the demand for beds that families are requested to have the room vacated of personal belongings by midnight the same day.

The standards of care homes varies greatly, and for most of us who rely on state subsidised beds it can be a heart wrenching experience for families as they have to choose between the few beds on offer. But the bottom line here is that the staff in these homes are dedicated, caring and very experienced in dispensing palliative care. In the event that any residents actually contract CV-19, then they are already in the best place to see out their final days. The majority are already so ill that hospitalisation would be pointless and they would be taking up an ICU bed of somebody else who would be more likely to pull through.

The worst thing about this virus for people in care homes is that they are currently prevented from seeing their loved ones. Although I believe they are looking at ways of lifting these restrictions with the use of PPE and social distancing.

 

[zzr45]

What a chilling couple of answers from Raab and one of the politicised witch doctors regarding care home deaths:

The Mirror's Dan Bloom asks whether deaths in care homes may have been avoided if more rigorous testing and screening had been carried out and residents who were discharged from hospital had been routinely tested before 16 April.

Mr Raab says the government will learn lessons from this unique and unprecedented public health crisis, including for care homes.

He says the objective has been to monitor and manage the "ebb and flow" of the transmission of the virus in care homes.

Dr Doyle says it is an interesting question. She suggests a high mortality rate in care homes was to be expected given that over-75s were particularly vulnerable to high doses of the virus.

However, she says a future review of the handling of the crisis will look at the "structure of care homes".

They're not at all in the business of eliminating deaths from Covid19 in the care homes - it's expected and it'll be managed.

It's absolutley monstrous.

Johnson, Raab, HanCOCK et al and their witchdoctors Whitty, Vallance, Harries et al should be in front of a war crimes tribunal and be facing the ultimate sentence.

Sorry Dave, it is to be expected because we see it every flu season. There just isn’t the same interest in numbers of fatalities as there are now.

If it means reviews go into place that implement practices that reduce the fatality rate (and by extension the strain on the NHS) during flu season, good.

 

[davek]

Sorry Dave, it is to be expected because we see it every flu season. There just isn’t the same interest in numbers of fatalities as there are now.

If it means reviews go into place that implement practices that reduce the fatality rate (and by extension the strain on the NHS) during flu season, good.

Dont talk tripe. That is a different scale all together.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Which is an awful lot of words for "I think its ok for me to bring things up, but not for other people to disagree".

Again. Utter crap. I don't even think you read that post,

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing. As I actually said in my post.

My issue is with you politicising everything. For some reason you don't seem able to understand that. Maybe you don't know how to critic without bringing politics into it.

 

[Chewbacca]

I see 'spoons is planning on reopening in June.

Should never reopen. The Uber gammon that runs it is a horrible piece of work. They won’t see another penny from me.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Do they have a conveyor belt of so called expert numpties they keep wheeling out at these press conferences.

Never saw the press conference. They said on Monday that in the following days they will start to let us know about their plans about how they may go about easing the lockdown etc, did they give any indication mate?

 

[zzr45]

Dont talk tripe. That is a different scale all together.

So you’re saying that flu doesn’t decimate care homes?

You’re mentally unwell. Get help.

 

[LinekersLegs]