Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

The utter lack of dried lasagne sheets in UK supermarkets the last week or so has utterly perplexed me.

Any other pasta is freely available, but the one type you actually have to do sommet with, other than boil and lob a sauce on it, is a mystery. Its my fave as well. And I make a rocking home made one too.

Brown rice for us.

 

[davek]

So you’re saying that flu doesn’t decimate care homes?

You’re mentally unwell. Get help.

Do you have any idea what the word decimate means? It doesn't do that in flu epidemics, but it's gone way beyond that in this virus.

Educate yourself.

 

[roydo]

Dont talk tripe. That is a different scale all together.

Tis a spike, no doubt. But after some initial floundering, medics and politicians both, this plan they adhered to seems to be on track.


Have mistakes been made? Deffo.

Has the country take this seriously and helped the NHS etc? Deffo.

Has the good weather helped? Deffo X 10!.

Its unprecedented mate. No one will now who did what right, wrong, too quick, too slow till some end is in sight. I think the daily briefings are good. I have no idea if other country's have done the same, dont really care if I am honest.

But to me, the whole of the UK are making an effort to get this sorted. If it means queuing to get into a shop, and no Lasagne, well, lets just crack on.

 

[roydo]

Brown rice for us.

Lack of?

 

[NorthernBlue]

Never saw the press conference. They said on Monday that in the following days they will start to let us know about their plans about how they may go about easing the lockdown etc, did they give any indication mate?

Nah just the usual fluff and smoke and mirror pantomime they have perfected.

 

[Blues Harp]

Again. Utter crap. I don't even think you read that post,

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing. As I actually said in my post.

My issue is with you politicising everything. For some reason you don't seem able to understand that. Maybe you don't know how to critic without bringing politics into it.

Every decision made by governments is political....how can you not see this? You cannot separate political decisions from real life. Every government must be held accountable and criticised if folk feel that they are not handling the situation well.In the same way if they think that the opposite is true then they have the right to say so. Personally I can't separate the 2 issues.....if you can, then that's your opnion, and that's ok...I can disagree with you in debate, which imo is how it should be.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Zitat aus der Studie: "Based on these results, we have to caution against an unlimited re-opening of
schools and kindergartens in the present situation. Children may be as infectious as adults."

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Some scientists reckon that the worse you get the virus the more antibodies you are likely to have.

Interesting for the supposed 80% asymptomatic lot - why we need to start doing antibody testing ASAP.

 

[zzr45]

Do you have any idea what the word decimate means? It doesn't do that in flu epidemics, but it's gone way beyond that in this virus.

Educate yourself.

Yes Dave I do know what the term decimate means, both in the historical and modern sense of the word. We know that if people in care homes aren’t immunised (and even if they are) then flu can be just as deadly.

It stands to reason that a virus which has no vaccine will be just as dangerous. Hence how an expert can say it’s expected.

I’m not sure if your paranoid ramblings are supposed to be funny, however the entire thing is so transparent as nothing but a stick to attack your ‘enemies’ with that it’s actually disrespectful.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Lack of?

Yeah lack of mate.

 

[roydo]

Yeah lack of mate.

The axis of evil.

Brown rice and lasagne.

What a time to be alive.

 

[spectateur]

China knew it went from human to human, but would not tell the rest of the world, in fact they stated that it didn’t. However they knew the reality because they were also testing the drug at their Wuhan institute. The day after they had to finally admit it went human to human they slapped in the patent. They knew all along and lied to the rest of the world.....

Is that a fact or is it just your opinion?

 

[COYBL25]

I'm not sure if everybody on here quite understands just how our care/nursing home system works. I know you are a similar age to me so may have had parents who have "gone through" the system or even part of the system now. It's also important to distinguish between care homes and independent living arrangements in which elderly people live in communities.

Essentially people go in there once it has been decided that they can no longer be cared for in their own home, bearing in mind that most will already have had carers coming into their homes previously. They are mostly infirm to some degree or have some form of dementia. I have personal experience of 3 family members in care homes, my mum, who lived 3 months, my mum in law, who lived 10 months, and my wife's uncle, who lasted nearly 2 years. The average time spent in care homes is around 12 months, so my experience is pretty much indicative of that. So an average size care home with 100 residents would, on average, experience 2 deaths per week. All families are asked to sign an agreement on resuscitation/non resuscitation within 48 hours of admittance, and once the resident dies, such is the demand for beds that families are requested to have the room vacated of personal belongings by midnight the same day.

The standards of care homes varies greatly, and for most of us who rely on state subsidised beds it can be a heart wrenching experience for families as they have to choose between the few beds on offer. But the bottom line here is that the staff in these homes are dedicated, caring and very experienced in dispensing palliative care. In the event that any residents actually contract CV-19, then they are already in the best place to see out their final days. The majority are already so ill that hospitalisation would be pointless and they would be taking up an ICU bed of somebody else who would be more likely to pull through.

The worst thing about this virus for people in care homes is that they are currently prevented from seeing their loved ones. Although I believe they are looking at ways of lifting these restrictions with the use of PPE and social distancing.

Great post mate.

It seems to be that a lot of people don’t understand how important on a personal level it is for the elderly to return home as quickly as possible from hospital.

From my own experiences with family members, there’s a very real fear that hospitals are where old people go to die and also the factor in the lack of dignity too. Plus the hospitals desperately need the beds too.

So the MURDER, DEATH and SCUM mantra being trotted out with regards to old people being returned to care homes / residential homes after being admitted with the virus isn’t as straightforward as it seems.

Old people aren’t being booted out of hospitals without reason, as there’s well established protocols to be followed at every stage from admission to discharge.

 

[Tipp blue]

Dont talk tripe. That is a different scale all together.

Is it really a different scale Dave? The deaths we hear about is people who die with corona, not just of corona, if you transferred the same logic to flu for 1 year you'd have many multiples of the usual number. For example if someone broke into my house and shot me in the head and the autopsy reviled I was covid positive even without symptoms I'd be included in the daily numbers of covid deaths as it's a notifiable disease, same principles do not apply to seasonal flu if it did the world would have to lock down every year.

 

[Kenshin]

Quite scary that something else entirely is being attributed to covid-19. Well not directly because they use the term coronavirus.

This rash and inflammation in young kids, that's only just appeared after weeks on end and with no previous mention despite the thousands of affected people.

I know you will tell me how we don't know enough about the virus and all of that.

But it has completely different symptoms. It has a completely different effect. Even Hancock said himself only half the kids getting with this other virus test positive for covid-19.

It's worrying for me because this reads like scare tactics. They have gone for the population , then the young adults (35 and below) and now lazily trying to throw kids into the narrative

If covid-19 was connected to this other disease then we aren't talking about a virus anymore , if it can literally have the effects of two different viruses at the same time . We are talking about a plague.

And is covid a plague? Or a respiratory virus that has no vaccination yet.