Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[arminisgod]

How are they policing it - masks / distancing etc ?

no masks

 

[Kenshin]

Dont talk tripe. That is a different scale all together.

We are talking a different scale yes.

I think the point being here though is that every death is being counted towards it. A patient can have heart failure due to long term heart issues but is being classed as a covid death as they caught it whilst in hospital.

Is that common sense?

So the figure is skewed beyond recognition. There is no way of knowing what the death rate actually is because there has never been a logical split between cause of death.

I bet you that if you looked at the figures , there is a lot of other deaths that have mysteriously dropped in the statistics for the past 2 months.

 

[COYBL25]

no masks

No ambiguity there.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Every decision made by governments is political....how can you not see this?

Because I don't think the same as you.

I believe the country, in fact the whole world, is in a crisis like never before in our lifetime. The decisions the Government are making now in relation to CV-19 are, first and foremost, about tackling this crisis. They will no doubt all have political ramifications, and not good ones either, but the decisions themselves have not been made for political reasons.

This pandemic transcends politics, or at least it should do, whilst we are still fighting it.

I've said before, I don't have a problem with criticism of poor decisions or indeed poor policies and poor leadership. But I want to also see accompany that criticism are some ideas and visible support to help the government fight this thing. And I'm not seeing that, which leads me to believe that they (opposition MPs etc) haven't got a 'kin clue what to do either.

 

[tsubaki]

Again. Utter crap. I don't even think you read that post,

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing. As I actually said in my post.

My issue is with you politicising everything. For some reason you don't seem able to understand that. Maybe you don't know how to critic without bringing politics into it.

This is banging my head against a brick wall, but it is really difficult to not bring politics into it when I am responding to you citing with approval a politician who was criticising measures taken by other politicians.

That you have returned to this today is even more ludicrous than when you did it the first time.

 

[peteblue]

I see 'spoons is planning on reopening in June.

I spoke to one of the Breweries today and asked about how much notice they needed. They reckon it’ll take four weeks from being given the nod to collect all the stuff out there, dispose (sell to Spoons) of the OOD stuff , brew and delivery new product......

 

[peteblue]

The way this thread can cover a huge range of topics from bats in China to which supermarket aisle the dried lasagna is means you never quite what to expect when you open in!

Aisle 3 I believe.....

 

[Barnfred 55]

This is banging my head against a brick wall, but it is really difficult to not bring politics into it when I am responding to you citing with approval a politician who was criticising measures taken by other politicians.

That you have returned to this today is even more ludicrous than when you did it the first time.

Well I suggest you bang it a bit harder and when you've had some sense knocked into you we can carry on this conversation.

Not everything in life has to be political. I feel sorry for you and your ilk who believe it has to be.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Great post mate.

It seems to be that a lot of people don’t understand how important on a personal level it is for the elderly to return home as quickly as possible from hospital.

From my own experiences with family members, there’s a very real fear that hospitals are where old people go to die and also the factor in the lack of dignity too. Plus the hospitals desperately need the beds too.

So the MURDER, DEATH and SCUM mantra being trotted out with regards to old people being returned to care homes / residential homes after being admitted with the virus isn’t as straightforward as it seems.

Old people aren’t being booted out of hospitals without reason, as there’s well established protocols to be followed at every stage from admission to discharge.

I've mentioned a few times mate what my missus does, she's a director in local government for older people and she said she can't believe some of the stuff spouted on here that I've mentioned to her in regards to care homes, the elderly etc.

 

[tsubaki]

Well I suggest you bang it a bit harder and when you've had some sense knocked into you we can carry on this conversation.

Not everything in life has to be political. I feel sorry for you and your ilk who believe it has to be.

You were talking about a politician, who was talking about political matters, and you were agreeing with him.

Criticising other people for bringing politics on to the thread after you do that is demented.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Great post mate.

It seems to be that a lot of people don’t understand how important on a personal level it is for the elderly to return home as quickly as possible from hospital.

From my own experiences with family members, there’s a very real fear that hospitals are where old people go to die and also the factor in the lack of dignity too. Plus the hospitals desperately need the beds too.

So the MURDER, DEATH and SCUM mantra being trotted out with regards to old people being returned to care homes / residential homes after being admitted with the virus isn’t as straightforward as it seems.

Old people aren’t being booted out of hospitals without reason, as there’s well established protocols to be followed at every stage from admission to discharge.

Yeah. Nursing homes are often used as a middle house facility for people to convalesce from hospitals whilst they are waiting for a care package to be put in place so they can return home/ As you say, it also frees up a much needed hospital bed.

I haven't heard of hospitals sending CV patients there, but I can understand them doing so because they are just as expert as hospitals in providing palliative care, though not quite on a par with hospices where the really ill go.

 

[peteblue]

I've mentioned a few times mate what my missus does, she's a director in local government for older people and she said she can't believe some of the stuff spouted on here that I've mentioned to her in regards to care homes, the elderly etc.

Then stop doing it .....

 

[davek]

Tis a spike, no doubt. But after some initial floundering, medics and politicians both, this plan they adhered to seems to be on track.


Have mistakes been made? Deffo.

Has the country take this seriously and helped the NHS etc? Deffo.

Has the good weather helped? Deffo X 10!.

Its unprecedented mate. No one will now who did what right, wrong, too quick, too slow till some end is in sight. I think the daily briefings are good. I have no idea if other country's have done the same, dont really care if I am honest.

But to me, the whole of the UK are making an effort to get this sorted. If it means queuing to get into a shop, and no Lasagne, well, lets just crack on.

It wasn't floundering though was it? Floundering sounds like trying to get to grips clumsily. But that wasn't the case. The 'initial' reaction and plan was to withdraw any attempt to test and trace and allow the virus to take hold in order to get some immunity into the bulk of the population. And as for the plan they 'adhrered to' (jumped on desperately more accurately) that has been on the basis of locking down (with people still coming into the country without getting tested or quarantined, btw and many 'native' non-essential workers still going about their jobs) and doing that while the nation's heath and welfare personnel have been deprrived of adequate protective and testing equipment that would make a lockdown pay off.

There is nothing this government deserve credit for. They are completely responsible for the increased infection rates that we are seeing now and which is stubbornly refusing to be shifted down in any substantial way.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You were talking about a politician, who was talking about political matters, and you were agreeing with him.

Criticising other people for bringing politics on to the thread after you do that is demented.

And I've told you, twice now, that it was a specific part of the BBC article that I was referring to, and I would have done it whoever had tweeted it. It wasn't about Farage, it was about people calling the police to snitch on their neighbours. If I didn't make that clear in my original post I certainly did in my next.

You see what you want to see.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Then stop doing it .....

No.