Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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The point is they have to be embarrassed and brought kicking and screaming their vile ideologies to even acknowledge these deaths.

Where other countries include all deaths from COVID19 as equal. We don't.

However, our Government disgustingly tries to compare death rates as all the same so to spin and a more positive image, sick minds.

They gave their reasons. The hospital data is the most reliable.

Most care homes have been locked down for 7 weeks. This is data from 10-24th April.

Not everything is some evil conspiracy.

A shambles - sure. But Germany didn't count deaths of people who had underlying illnesses at the start of all this, because the data wasn't reliable at the time, for example.
 
The point is they have to be embarrassed and brought kicking and screaming their vile ideologies to even acknowledge these deaths.

Where other countries include all deaths from COVID19 as equal. We don't.

However, our Government disgustingly tries to compare death rates as all the same so to spin and a more positive image, sick minds.

From what I've read countries have various different ways of reporting. It's very different to compare countries for various reasons, but especially when we aren't sure if they report under the same parameters.

I just hope we start seeing big reductions in the infection rate and deaths here, and as soon as possible.
 
Those numbers are only from 10th of April to the 24th. There were more RIPs in the weeks before, its only a small data set. Ultimately i disagree with will be double, it will be 50%ish (European average) of total hospital RIP's the real UK number is around 30k+ in my opinion. Horrible as that is.

I know mate, made the point it's only for that 2-week period. Of course there will be more. But it's not the 20k people were predicting. Not even saying that's a positive, just more that it shows the overboard nature of the media during all of this (though I'm not saying the government should not be pressed and scrutinised, either!)
 
I suspect it’s Just me but this invisible enemy and how we’re at war just Doesn’t really sit with me . I get it’s in the National , even international language now but it feels like it possibly plays to an other agenda.

Sorry to be self obsessed and quote myself but I noted on panorama last night a nurse saying it’s felt some of the language excuses the government from their own responsibility to protect NHS staff .
 
I know mate, made the point it's only for that 2-week period. Of course there will be more. But it's not the 20k people were predicting. Not even saying that's a positive, just more that it shows the overboard nature of the media during all of this.

I know mate! Ive said a few times the European average is about 50% of RIP's (at the moment). I dont think it will double the UK's RIP figures, just be half of the total figure.

In fact if you average that two week figure by 6, it would be bring it up to just North of 50% of the Uk's current Death rate, so a potential RIP number of about 32k, hopefully a bit smaller though.
 
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It would be helpful if, as we have discussed previously across other threads, the UK focussed on preventing admission rather than focussing on treatment.

A huge push around healthy living, healthy eating, cheaper access to health facilities etc would all massively benefit the country.

But too often we focus attention on trying to mop up spilled water rather turning off the tap.

I agree and have been pushing for this for a number of years. I'm hopeful that one outcome of the pandemic is that people, medics, and officials become accustomed to not only monitoring our health via apps and so on, but quickly learn how to integrate the data generated from these into the medical records of the patient and the workflow of the health staff.

Without the crisis, I fear that the NHS would have stumbled on, year after year, without ever really changing, but we've already seen tremendous change happening in a few weeks when the enormous need overcame the willingness to erect hurdles. At optimistic moments I like to think the NHS will use that as a catalyst to become the preventative service you mention.
 
It would be helpful if, as we have discussed previously across other threads, the UK focussed on preventing admission rather than focussing on treatment.

A huge push around healthy living, healthy eating, cheaper access to health facilities etc would all massively benefit the country.

But too often we focus attention on trying to mop up spilled water rather turning off the tap.

Oh for FFS, get the nicotine at the ready and get ready to blame doctors and nurses for being greedy.

They gave their reasons. The hospital data is the most reliable.

Most care homes have been locked down for 7 weeks. This is data from 10-24th April.

Not everything is some evil conspiracy.

A shambles - sure. But Germany didn't count deaths of people who had underlying illnesses at the start of all this, because the data wasn't reliable at the time, for example.

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I don't know if there's other figures which will then show 'excess' deaths (i.e. deaths in the community or deaths from other illnesses of people who haven't gone into hospital because of this and then had a heart attack or something). Obviously it's all a bit confusing.

Just now seeing the same people who have been saying that it could potentially be double are now still saying this is extremely terrible etc. And it is, I get that, yet it's nowhere near to their estimates.

The ONS do say there may be an underestimate because of reporting delays Toff ,but as you say still far from what some people were putting out there.
 
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Shameful, no wonder the Government wanted to exclude non hospital deaths from COVID19. Now I wish we could compare ourselves to Italy, we will be second to USA for deaths...


We have the most coronavirus deaths in Europe. No wonder they don't want to combine, those that have died in hospital, care homes and in the community onto a world comparison graph as the UK would second to US deaths. It's an absolute scandal that those suffering with coronavirus were not and are still not being treated in hospital. Equally, sending patients from hospital back to care homes without testing them for coronavirus has been a disgrace. And only now, testing care home hospital patients for coronavirus before they're sent back to the care home, 7 weeks to late.

Also not surprising the government want to delay releasing Hancock's 100 000 test a day.

Testing Result of 100k a day pledge will not be revealed this week
 
From what I've read countries have various different ways of reporting. It's very different to compare countries for various reasons, but especially when we aren't sure if they report under the same parameters.

I just hope we start seeing big reductions in the infection rate and deaths here, and as soon as possible.

Has not stopped the various ministers and PM himself wanting to compare the various death rates of countries. And thats the point of including all COVID19 deaths, there is a thing called transparency, it installs trust. Lack of transparency tends not too.
Any organisation or Government that does not practice transparency tends not to get my trust, call me foolish for not slurping on Brawndo!
 
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