Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kenshin]

This kowaski disease is very worrying..

It is the start of what the media driven message will be.

Connecting anything and everything to covid-19 for simply fear mongering. There are so many things connected to Covid now that its gone beyond the realms of reality, different viruses, diseases, illnesses etc.

So many symptoms (including none at all) apparantly all valid to this virus.

I just find it amazing that one virus with symptoms, effects and recovery rates can be skewed so much to the point that no-one really knows what it is from a general public perception.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

All I see is a load of Tory supporters crying that their Government led by Johnson is now getting the same treatment of accountability from Morgan and elsewhere that Corbyn got on a daily basis whether there or not. Suck up the Brawndo...

That's it in a nutshell. The tabloid treatment of Corbyn was ridiculous, which you rightly point out, but because the tabloids are now treating your enemy in the same way you think they're great. The logical attitude would be to regard the mode of attack as ridiculous, regardless of the target, but you don't.

 

[arminisgod]

Is it actually happening though? It seems to be a story that’s been oft repeated that local business has been turned down so they threaten to sell their stuff in America, but transpires that either A) it’s not going anywhere or B) going to private firms who are then trying to hawk it on elsewhere, with similar results.

It has to meet BSi standards (which are there to keep users and patients safe) to be used in the UK. If companies aren’t allowing their products to be tested, they can’t be procured by the NHS. Just because it’s produced to a guideline doesn’t ensure quality.


Yes it’s crap there’s not enough PPE, but using stuff that’s unsafe is just as, if not more, dangerous.

we are starting to make PPE for the NHS now. The packaging regs are so strict and very labour intensive. I don't believe a backstreet company could package the way it's needed.

 

[Harryflashman]

like Covid19, I try to avoid any contact with Morgan......

trust me I disliked him long before you.

 

[BlueToff]

I know this isn't in any way good, but it's surely less than those people who have been screaming that it was going to double, is?

 

[arminisgod]

I know this isn't in any way good, but it's surely less than those people who have been screaming that it was going to double, is?

Bet Piers Morgan doesn't tweet that figure...

 

[BlueToff]

Bet Piers Morgan doesn't tweet that figure...

I mean it's obviously horrid but it just tallies with what the government have been saying that the majority of the deaths occur in hospital, doesn't it? I know that it's just for a two-week period, as well.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I know this isn't in any way good, but it's surely less than those people who have been screaming that it was going to double, is?

The ONS in cahoots with the government in a cover - up Toff.

 

[Harryflashman]

It feels awful to be ‘ relieved ‘ to see figure like that but if they’re right then they’ll be significantly better than expected .

 

[BlueToff]

The ONS in cahoots with the government in a cover - up Toff.

I don't know if there's other figures which will then show 'excess' deaths (i.e. deaths in the community or deaths from other illnesses of people who haven't gone into hospital because of this and then had a heart attack or something). Obviously it's all a bit confusing.

Just now seeing the same people who have been saying that it could potentially be double are now still saying this is extremely terrible etc. And it is, I get that, yet it's nowhere near to their estimates.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Aye, it's by no means the only factor, but I suspect it will be increasingly important, not just for now, but after the pandemic. I was reading another paper this morning from City University that explored how the NHS might look after the pandemic. For probably the first time in it's history, care has been rationed, and given the likely demands on the service after the pandemic, whether due to ongoing care of those affected, the backlog of treatments that were postponed, the treatment of those with mental health issues as a result, or just the general demand that the service was struggling to cope with in 'normal' times, it seems inevitable that society will have to do its bit by trying to be as healthy as possible if the NHS is to remain the institution we all love so much.

It would be helpful if, as we have discussed previously across other threads, the UK focussed on preventing admission rather than focussing on treatment.

A huge push around healthy living, healthy eating, cheaper access to health facilities etc would all massively benefit the country.

But too often we focus attention on trying to mop up spilled water rather turning off the tap.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It feels awful to be ‘ relieved ‘ to see figure like that but if they’re right then they’ll be significantly better than expected .

The point is they have to be embarrassed and brought kicking and screaming their vile ideologies to even acknowledge these deaths.

Where other countries include all deaths from COVID19 as equal. We don't.

However, our Government disgustingly tries to compare death rates as all the same so to spin and a more positive image, sick minds.

 

[BlueToff]

It would be helpful if, as we have discussed previously across other threads, the UK focussed on preventing admission rather than focussing on treatment.

A huge push around healthy living, healthy eating, cheaper access to health facilities etc would all massively benefit the country.

But too often we focus attention on trying to mop up spilled water rather turning off the tap.

Can't speak on the 'cheaper access to health facilities' thing because Tories gonna Tory, but on the first two in bold, I do think one benefit of this lockdown is going to be that.

I think quite a few people got shouted down earlier on in the month (not on here, but even things like people online just suggesting that you should take care of yourself to boost your immune system was leading to them getting criticised by some quarters), but it's massively important.

A huge plus of people not having to spend several hours a day commuting to work (if they're working from home for example) could be that they've used that time to give themselves a bit of TLC in one way or the other. I know it's boring and dull for many but if you have the time in a day to commit to exercise in one form or the other, you're doing yourself a lot of good.

Commuting on packed public transport or driving on stressful, busy roads and motorways dead early every morning is not good for anyone's health.

I'm not some hermit. I appreciate not every job can be done from home and that social interaction and 'face-towards-face' (to quote Train Guy) is obviously crucial, but in 2020 home working for people in an office shouldn't really be frowned upon and arguably should be encouraged if we're serious about tackling poor health, stress and even global warming.

 

[Neiler]

I know this isn't in any way good, but it's surely less than those people who have been screaming that it was going to double, is?

Those numbers are only from 10th of April to the 24th, that is a massively big number for two weeks in care homes alone, just under 400 a day, horrible. Nothing to be pleased about there. Would bring the effective UK death rate up to 1200 RIP's a day almost over that period.

There were more RIPs in the weeks before and since, its only a small data set. Persoanlly i disagree that when residential care numbers are (eventually added) it will be double, it will be 50%-ish (European average) of total hospital RIP's.

The real UK RIP number is around 30k+ in my opinion. Horrible as that is.

 

[Prevenger17]

I know this isn't in any way good, but it's surely less than those people who have been screaming that it was going to double, is?

Despite its grim implications for those involved, that's a much lower number than I expected. Still a lot like, but almost positive given the circumstances