Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

again though . Ok I’ve got a mate an ex colleague who is in Oz and involved in their response to this . I’m not a fan on a lot of Australian immigration policy but they’ve absolutely locked down on so many levels.

I appreciate your point but I can’t help but feel there is a reason most counties are doing A and we’re going B . Most countries lockdown early , we don’t . Most counties begin large scale testing then test & trace we don’t . Most countries suggest , encourage , demand face masks , we don’t . Most countries restrict travel or test on entry we don’t. Listen I’m clueless but it seems we’re gonna have figures second only to the USA (who knows about China ) and we are ploughing our own furrow , maybe the two facts are linked .

Oh mate, I am not saying we are doing well. Until this goes, dont think we know who is. Sweden were getting the Won the Covid Cup last week, some say it looks premature now.

My point, re flying, was that the screams of "15000 a day, a million soon", are just not a reflection of the reality.

In the scheme of things, its all a bit of a non story.

 

[Barnfred 55]

So I watched the questioning of the experts yesterday at the briefing , I’m assuming others did . And when asked about the no checks at an airport the issues seemed to be well we wouldn’t know anyway and that infection is already a massive issue and effectively it doesn’t really matter , it won’t make a huge impact .

If I’m wrong I’ll happy accept that so please correct me on the the above and on if 0.1% of those landing per day are infected then due to that law of exponential infection growth they kept mentioning then in 30 days isn’t that like just short of 8,000 inflected ? And well 15,000 people are landing per day so per month that seems like a potentially huge issue or am I not getting this ?

During lockdown it will in theory only affect their immediate family who they live with. Those coming into the country now are nearly all repatriates.

Now we have spare testing capacity I would definitely still be testing those coming in from high infected areas though

 

[Harryflashman]

Oh mate, I am not saying we are doing well. Until this goes, dont think we know who is. Sweden were getting the Won the Covid Cup last week, some say it looks premature now.

My point, re flying, was that the screams of "15000 a day, a million soon", are just not a reflection of the reality.

In the scheme of things, its all a bit of a non story.

mate just to be clear I wasn’t banging the drum on a million or immigration issues , my point was quite specific. They Basically said the numbers were relatively unimportant given where we where but having spent weeks lecturing us a lot about this exponential growth it felt hugely relevant what an impact 0.1% could have in a relatively short space of time is all .

 

[Harryflashman]

During lockdown it will in theory only affect their immediate family who they live with. Those coming into the country now are nearly all repatriates.

Now we have spare testing capacity I would definitely still be testing those coming in from high infected areas though

testing would seem the minimum you can do ? But if they’re travelling the streets , shopping interacting even if we reduce exponential spread it has to be an issue . It seems crazy that people can’t visit people but they can fly in and visit them .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Look, I've already spoke about the numbers you utter plum. 11 deaths in the non-elderly, how is this a rational response? Protip: it isn't.

This entirely depends if you subscribe to all life has the same value, no matter of age frailty or vulnerability If you do, lock down is a very logical response.

 

[Tea_drinker]

The raab gibbon now boasts of building 7 hospitals. Erected 7 empty marquees more like. They really do think those who voted for them are idiots.

 

[BlueToff]

But compared with and viewed from France, the UK effort has always seemed to be a wishy washy half hearted effort. Guidelines rather than instructions and requests rather than orders.
But it is obviously difficult to control the public in a country that doesn't have a national ID system.

Well I'd much rather not live in a police state tbh (not saying France is, but the way some countries have gone about lockdown is bordering on barbaric).

2020 shouldn't be forgotten that governments lacked preparation and had no other alternative than to shut down entire populations, costing thousands of jobs (millions world wide I imagine) and doing a lot of damage to people.

 

[BlueToff]

This entirely depends if you subscribe to all life has the same value, no matter of age frailty or vulnerability If you do, lock down is a very logical response.

Nope, it was the only response available.

If governments had been more prepared - half of that, if not more, is down to a lack of transparency from China and the WHO, too - then there could have been other solutions (part of which might have been lockdowns of set weeks, not indefinite ones with the risk of more).

There should be no justification of thousands losing jobs and livelihoods because at th end of the day it's like borrowing from Peter to pay Paul - everybody still loses. The governments messed up big style and were left with no options.

Also, there's been talk of saying people over 70 or those vulnerable should stay inside until October... 2021.

It's not a world worth living in if that's life.

 

[peteblue]

Govt still sticking to this 100k test target by end of this month. That's 79k more than they managed yesterday.. I will be flabberghasted if they come even close to pulling it off

They are saying that it is a capability/capacity of doing 100,000 per day. Apparently they can now do 40,000 per day, it’s just that not enough people are coming forward to be tested. Now this may be complete crap but it’s seems why they are sticking to the number. It seems a bit pointless hitting some arbitrary number if it’s not going to be positively pushed but hey ho....

 

[roydo]

Blimey. I had no idea what the military were doing! Other than the Nighingales.

 

[BlueToff]

The raab gibbon now boasts of building 7 hospitals. Erected 7 empty marquees more like. They really do think those who voted for them are idiots.

I'd rather them be there and empty than full, which would mean our hospitals are overflowing.

If they'd have had seven extra hospitals built a month ago, we'd be in a better position.

 

[Tea_drinker]

They are saying that it is a capability/capacity of doing 100,000 per day. Apparently they can now do 40,000 per day, it’s just that not enough people are coming forward to be tested.

Unbelievable. Excuses coming from all angles. Everyone to blame but themselves. They did 18,000 tests the other day. People cant physically get to their testing centres. The tories are lying over and over here.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Alright, shall we look at Sweden?

Yes, lets

From the worldometers site, the same data source that the Spiked article used (although oddly despite the article being dated today they used 17th April

As of 22nd April

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,307,410 Cases and 2,842,464 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Sweden
cases 16,004, cases per 1M pop 1585, total deaths 1937, deaths per 1m pop 192, tests 94,500, tests per 1m 9357
Norway
cases 7275, cases per 1M pop 1342, total deaths 185, deaths per 1m pop 34, tests 148,656, tests per 1m 27,421
Denmark
cases 7,912, cases per 1M pop 1366, total deaths 384 deaths per 1m pop 66, tests 108,465, tests per 1m 18,726
Finland
cases 4,129 cases per 1M pop 745, total deaths 149 deaths per 1m pop 27, tests 68,552, tests per 1m 12,372

And this was their “analysis”

Again, there is very little evidence that Sweden has become an unlivable Covid-19 hotbed. As of 17 April, Sweden’s Covid-19 statistics were: 13,216 total cases, 1,400 total deaths, 1,309 cases per million and 139 deaths per million. In terms of cases per million residents, Sweden ranks slightly ahead of its close neighbours, Denmark (1,221) and Norway (1,274). But in Europe as a whole, Sweden ranks 23rd in terms of cases per million and 10th in terms of deaths per million.

See the distortion in presenting the data the writer makes?
1) He uses data from last Friday which significantly reduces Sweden’s case/death numbers
2) Provides no context that the neighboring countries are doing far more testing so will likely have higher case numbers
3) Does not provide those neighbours deaths per 1m which are vastly better than Sweden, only compared it to Europe as a whole
4) Provides no context of when first case was recorded which is important in determining how long a country has had an outbreak - Norway’s numbers are probably flattered in this respect as they registered their first case about a month later than Sweden iirc but Finland’s was about the same so is still a useful comparison.

If you are making an honest assessment of data you include ALL of it and make your best conclusion based on it, not just cherry pick it to suit your argument. Although the Sweden example wasn’t as flagrant as him just writing off all of New York‘s 20,000 deaths as an “outlier” and therefore not worthy of inclusion In his “calculations”!

 

[peteblue]

The raab gibbon now boasts of building 7 hospitals. Erected 7 empty marquees more like. They really do think those who voted for them are idiots.

And if our numbers had gone through the roof and overwhelmed the NHS you would be the first complaining about capacity. Better to have more than not enough.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Nope, it was the only response available.

If governments had been more prepared - half of that, if not more, is down to a lack of transparency from China and the WHO, too - then there could have been other solutions (part of which might have been lockdowns of set weeks, not indefinite ones with the risk of more).

There should be no justification of thousands losing jobs and livelihoods because at th end of the day it's like borrowing from Peter to pay Paul - everybody still loses. The governments messed up big style and were left with no options.

Also, there's been talk of saying people over 70 or those vulnerable should stay inside until October... 2021.

It's not a world worth living in if that's life.

Ah well, different debate governments. they all generally subscribe to same economic system and that was with no doubt put first, some countries reacted better in the end!