Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Harryflashman said:
pete I’ve said this from day one in a crisis like this it’s really important, more than ever , when they stand up at a podium and tell the public x, y and z that we believe them . Let’s be honest here , they aren’t being honest .

They’re being deceitful , they’re lying to us . Not in a manifesto , or on the side of a bus to win votes but in the middle of a national crisis with thousands dying , business going to the wall and people effectively under house arrest . We need our government to be honest , These lies matter and they continue to matter . I don’t care whatever political party this is that’s doing it , I swear to you I don’t , but this can’t continue unchallenged .
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I totally agree. It’s much better to say nothing than tell a lie. However in the case of the Turkish ppe, I don’t know if it was a lie or if there has just been a mistake in communications, ordering, manufacturing or delivery. You may believe it was a wicked lie, but do you know?.....
 
peteblue said:
I totally agree. It’s much better to say nothing than tell a lie. However in the case of the Turkish ppe, I don’t know if it was a lie or if there has just been a mistake in communications, ordering, manufacturing or delivery. You may believe it was a wicked lie, but do you know?.....
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tell you truth I don’t know pete but if it was an isolated incident it’d be significantly more believable as a mistake but it’s not is it ?
 
mill said:
It wasn’t a stupid question. I was using the ladder of abstraction to highlight a counter argument to your point that responsibility should lie with a surgeon rather than a health secretary.
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I was using the escalator of obfuscation to diminish your ladder of abstraction......
 
zzr45 said:
I think the big thing to come out of this is that the NHS has been treated as an infallible organisation for far too long. Whenever there are problems with it, there seems to be a 'plaster' of increased investment attached and it's sent on its merry way towards the next point a plaster is needed. Reading that it seems a lot of problems have arisen from a societal inability to be truly critical of the way in which the NHS is actually run, so bad practice has been allowed to run rampant for decades, which has brought us to the situation we are at today.

There's also the question as to how society has screwed over the NHS. There's rising health costs because people are, on the whole, incapable of looking after themselves. The rise in Type 2 Diabetes in this country exemplifies that, especially with the estimate that 50% of cases could be either prevented or delayed. Society hasn't helped in that regard and there's been plenty of excuses made for people who, in reality, are taking the piss then expecting the NHS to look after them. It would be very interesting reading after this as to how many deaths could have been avoided if underlying conditions weren't there.

There should be a huge organisational and societal change in the wake of this, but in reality any critique will be deflected by using the frontline staff as a shield.
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Any critique has to include an analysis of wealth disparity and the effect on food purchase and availability, the cost of 'premium healthy,' foods is out of reach.to most and the affordable items are processed, in every sense, and lacking nutritionally. There are little to no vitamins in cheap foods, fresh or frozen, which is the biggest correlation to type 2 in none genetics.
So when I say capitalism has played its psrt I'm being honest. Unless we address that then type 2 will increase.
So, taking the piss eh ;)
 
Harryflashman said:
tell you truth I don’t know pete but if it was an isolated incident it’d be significantly more believable as a mistake but it’s not is it ?
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I honestly don’t know. I think Hancock was a pillock for saying he wanted 100,000 tests per day, they should have been open and said they’ve changed strategy on the herd immunity, they should have said it has caught them all out, but other than that I cannot remember any ‘lies’......
 
tsubaki said:
another glorious triumph for MBS
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Well, if his goal was to get Putin to the bargaining table then he most certainly succeeded.

Bruce Wayne said:
It seems to have passed them by that it's kinda important for people to be able to trust their government. They may not always agree with them, but they should always be able to trust them to tell the truth.
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At least in the U.S., trust in government went out with Vietnam and Nixon. It's hard to solve problems working through a government you can't trust...which is exactly the outcome the largest conservative donors here want.
 
summerisle said:
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Going back to the middle ages. Scientists are witches aren't they.
 
magicjuan said:
Any critique has to include an analysis of wealth disparity and the effect on food purchase and availability, the cost of 'premium healthy,' foods is out of reach.to most and the affordable items are processed, in every sense, and lacking nutritionally. There are little to no vitamins in cheap foods, fresh or frozen, which is the biggest correlation to type 2 in none genetics.
So when I say capitalism has played its psrt I'm being honest. Unless we address that then type 2 will increase.
So, taking the piss eh ;)
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It is not expensive to eat healthily.
 
peteblue said:
The buck should stop with the person doing the job. If a surgeon makes a mistake and a patient dies, is that the fault of the Health Secretary or the surgeon. I am a firm believer in nailing the person who actually fails....
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Johnson should have been nailed when he was making dog's dinner of the foreign secretory job.
 
Death figures on the rise again. Cant be far off calls for the military to take over. Johnsons gang of incompetent lying oafs are fathoms out of their depths here.
 
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