Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[marnie]

I was going to write ‘Fru’ it is the best word every written on this site....

Bad racist you Pete lol

 

[peteblue]

Seriously Pete, your slavish devotion to this utter shambles of a Tory Govt and the incessant apologist crap you post trying to blame shift and cover for their complete and utter failure, is not only embarrassing, it’s an insult to the intelligence of posters on here, as you’re either as dense as granite (which I don’t believe) or you’re trying to mislead people deliberately.

I’m just trying to balance the view, which is currently so lobsided with claims of Murder etc etc, yet does not reflect the view of the majority of the U.K. A delivery of ppe has not arrived as expected. Meanwhile deliveries of ppe are actually being sent out from the U.K. to other countries. It’s a shambles, no argument from me. But is it the fault of the guy in front of the camera, his ministerial colleague, or perhaps the fault lies within the treacle of the bureaucracy. The government have appointed the Olympics guy to get a grip and sort it out. This is good as he will understand logistics and hitting a date. Just trying to put another view and breakout from the left wing groupthink.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I’m just trying to balance the view, which is currently so lobsided with claims of Murder etc etc, yet does not reflect the view of the majority of the U.K. A delivery of ppe has not arrived as expected. Meanwhile deliveries of ppe are actually being sent out from the U.K. to other countries. It’s a shambles, no argument from me. But is it the fault of the guy in front of the camera, his ministerial colleague, or perhaps the fault lies within the treacle of the bureaucracy. The government have appointed the Olympics guy to get a grip and sort it out. This is good as he will understand logistics and hitting a date. Just trying to put another view and breakout from the left wing groupthink.....

As highlighted above Pete, the NHS hired a bloke (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jinsahota/?originalSubdomain=uk if you're interested) to sort out procurement and logistics in the wake of a damning report into the wastage through poor procurement across the NHS. For all the commentary above, I'm not sure any of us have the first clue what that bloke has done, what challenges he's faced, what failures he has presided over. There are various bits of 'what' seeping out via the press, but very little understanding of 'why', so people just project their biases onto the situation to explain away what I'm almost certain they have no clue about.

 

[Walken]

Further thickening of the plot, along with tory voters

 

[zzr45]

NHS procurement is done by this fella

Jin Sahota interview: How government procurement reforms are unlocking millions for the NHS

Jin Sahota is the government procurement expert in charge of unlocking billions for the NHS frontline at a time of record demand. He reflects on th...

www.civilserviceworld.com

I have no idea how they procure, what they've done to change since February, or what challenges they've faced in doing so. It seems we have a lot of people above who do know the answer to all of those questions as lots have made up their mind as to who is to blame. Any ideas?

I think the big thing to come out of this is that the NHS has been treated as an infallible organisation for far too long. Whenever there are problems with it, there seems to be a 'plaster' of increased investment attached and it's sent on its merry way towards the next point a plaster is needed. Reading that it seems a lot of problems have arisen from a societal inability to be truly critical of the way in which the NHS is actually run, so bad practice has been allowed to run rampant for decades, which has brought us to the situation we are at today.

There's also the question as to how society has screwed over the NHS. There's rising health costs because people are, on the whole, incapable of looking after themselves. The rise in Type 2 Diabetes in this country exemplifies that, especially with the estimate that 50% of cases could be either prevented or delayed. Society hasn't helped in that regard and there's been plenty of excuses made for people who, in reality, are taking the piss then expecting the NHS to look after them. It would be very interesting reading after this as to how many deaths could have been avoided if underlying conditions weren't there.

There should be a huge organisational and societal change in the wake of this, but in reality any critique will be deflected by using the frontline staff as a shield.

 

[mill]

Further thickening of the plot, along with tory voters

The scary thing isn’t the *attempt*. It’s the *acceptance*.

how everyone isn’t in uproar over this idea is beyond me.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The state of our CS is actually very worrying. There are 365 Conservative MP’s who may or may not be in office for ten years. Meanwhile we have a public sector of over 5,000,000 who are in post for life. The great majority of these are doing a great job. The management of the CS and Public bodies is the concern because these are the people who are supposed to carry out government policy and too often they fail and ministers make excuses for them. That pillock who Patel got rid of at the home office may be an extreme case of incompetence, yet somehow I doubt it.

We have a major National crisis playing out. We have front line NHS workers doing what they should be doing, it’s about time the employees with the grandiose titles and large salaries pulled their fingers out. It might also help if the media and various parties stopped playing politics and got behind the effort......

I'm confused Pete...are we or aren't we handling this well?

Because this seems to be a shift from your 'we are doing ok, but it's very difficult circumstances' to 'it's a clown show but it's the fault of the Civil Service'.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally, this appears to be where they got the image for that young lady - https://www.unison.org.uk/news/magazine/2018/08/meet-our-nhs/

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Website created by researchers from the University of Amsterdam to plot out various exit strategies.

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[summerisle]

 

[Brennan]

Website created by researchers from the University of Amsterdam to plot out various exit strategies.

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Missie Het corona virus heeft bijna alle landen in de wereld in zijn greep. Om de verspreiding van het virus tegen te gaan hebben veel landen ingrijpende lockdowns ingezet. Deze lockdowns zijn bijzonder schadelijk voor de samenleving en we moeten nu nadenken over slimme, wetenschappelijk...

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The fact that she's Greek makes it even better/worse

 

[marnie]

Incidentally, this appears to be where they got the image for that young lady - https://www.unison.org.uk/news/magazine/2018/08/meet-our-nhs/

So Susan is in fact Greek lol Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

 

[davek]

Incidentally, this appears to be where they got the image for that young lady - https://www.unison.org.uk/news/magazine/2018/08/meet-our-nhs/

What a law suit she can file.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Have you been out in public much?

Walk the dog like but not loads mate.

Hopefully just a cold bud!

 

[davek]

So Susan is in fact Greek lol Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

Sue / Mia...it's an easy mistake to make.