Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Who is expecting that from politicians?

More to the point - who would give doctors, nurses, police officers, grocery store workers and others the benefit of the doubt if they spent months lying about things? Or refused to change and learn from previous failings / things revealed in exercises?

They probably are hoist by their own petard in that they have, as you say, made a habit of lying. They are the government we have though, and many seem to relish every mistake because it gives them an excuse to stick the boot in or act outraged. Just not sure that's healthy. It's like with Brexit. The situation is what it is, and I would rather they somehow made a success of things than ballsed it up so I could feel smug.
 
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To be honest mate I'm guessing that with the benefit of hindsight the lockdown will be viewed as largely unnecessary. I'm hopeful it will be anyway. What I mean by that is that our "curves" will be largely the same and the asymptomatic infection rate has been grossly underestimated simply due to community testing limitations (I actually believe this virus has been in the UK since November/December - here's an interesting article for you that highlights the flu was hospitalising eight times as many people this year; I think there's a massive chance a lot of those where COVID-19 before we were testing for it - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html)

But there's no doubt in my mind that it was the correct decision to enforce it. Sweden might have got this right but it's a ridiculous gamble that they shouldn't have played with their own populace IMO.

Agree with that and definitely the bit in bold - I don't think the UK had a choice, though maybe they would have been to be able to go into a reduced lockdown - i.e. a set 3-4 week period rather than indefinite. Maybe Sweden should have done too - as you say it's a big gamble, but I just meant to respond to the point that they're willing to sacrifice people to do it.

I think their plan is/was very much to use their state-of-the-art healthcare system to ensure as few deaths as possible. But it seems they have underestimated the spread of this virus.

On your first point about it being around for months, I'm with you there too, and your point about the asymptomatic infection rate. I'm sure some latest estimates are saying 80% will show no symptoms. Isn't to say we shouldn't be locking down or what not or taking these measures, just proves how difficult a situation it is.
 
To be honest mate I'm guessing that with the benefit of hindsight the lockdown will be viewed as largely unnecessary. I'm hopeful it will be anyway. What I mean by that is that our "curves" will be largely the same and the asymptomatic infection rate has been grossly underestimated simply due to community testing limitations (I actually believe this virus has been in the UK since November/December - here's an interesting article for you that highlights the flu was hospitalising eight times as many people this year; I think there's a massive chance a lot of those where COVID-19 before we were testing for it - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html)

But there's no doubt in my mind that it was the correct decision to enforce it. Sweden might have got this right but it's a ridiculous gamble that they shouldn't have played with their own populace IMO.
Sweden are also gambling that contracting the disease both a) gives a person immunity b) that immunity will last up until a vaccine is available for widespread population use.

Although likely on the first it still isn’t confirmed and for the second the outbreak is still far too recent to be able to tell as even the earliest Chinese survivors have had less than 6 months.
 
Sweden are also gambling that contracting the disease both a) gives a person immunity b) that immunity will last up until a vaccine is available for widespread population use.

Although likely on the first it still isn’t confirmed and for the second the outbreak is still far too recent to be able to tell as even the earliest Chinese survivors have had less than 6 months.

I think that like common cold there'll be a level of heightened immune resistance even if not outright immunity. Reason this is so deadly is because it's never been exposed to us before.

Similarly, that's why I think it targets the old. The younger immune system has built in safeguards to new exposure to viruses so it's not as deadly. That's why the likelihood is this goes into circulation and becomes just a particularly nasty cold in the next 10 years or so.
 
I think that like common cold there'll be a level of heightened immune resistance even if not outright immunity. Reason this is so deadly is because it's never been exposed to us before.

Similarly, that's why I think it targets the old. The younger immune system has built in safeguards to new exposure to viruses so it's not as deadly. That's why the likelihood is this goes into circulation and becomes just a particularly nasty cold in the next 10 years or so.
I haven't got a clue but isn't that how these virus's survive long term? Being too deadly isn't good for long term transmission and hence they eventually mutate into something less deadly
 
I haven't got a clue but isn't that how these virus's survive long term? Being too deadly isn't good for long term transmission and hence they eventually mutate into something less deadly

Yes - in general it's not likely to mutate into anything more deadly once its' successful, as that'd mean it'd kill quicker and have less time to multiply.

That said the likelihood of it mutating and becoming a non-issue anytime soon is pretty much nil. They are generational evolutions and can take years.

EDIT: Before anyone jumps down my neck, no I'm not an epidemiologist obviously but I've read a lot last few months as I'm sure a lot of us have!!!
 
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