Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[orchard]

Not in the slightest.

Thats why I said developed or evolved. Song remains the same, if that happened here and we exported it to China, that would be their fault?

No but they would be responsible for the safety and security of their own citizens, it's sort of their job like, and as pandemics have been recognised, formally, as the biggest potential threat to the UK, one would have thought the government would fare far better than they have done.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

"A new study in California has found the number of people infected with coronavirus may be tens of times higher than previously thought.
The study from Stanford University, which was released Friday and has yet to be peer reviewed, tested samples from 3,330 people in Santa Clara county and found the virus was 50 to 85 times more common than official figures indicated.

At the time of the study, Santa Clara county had 1,094 confirmed cases of Covid-19, resulting in 50 deaths. But based on the rate of participants who have antibodies, the study estimates it is likely that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara county by early April.

That also means coronavirus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought. As of Tuesday, the US’s coronavirus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%."



The above would be interesting to see worldwide - im a big believer that COVID has already infected millions - still a long way off herd immunity but over the coming months I think this thing will have much less opportunity to infect people in groups than at the start of the year as more and more people have antibodies meaning hopefully less strain on the NHS.

If its that contagious that you cant go see your dying relatives then im highly dubious that this thing hasn't ravaged through large swathes of the population already considering the size of the UK and population density of large cities like London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool etc.

 

[roydo]

No but they would be responsible for the safety and security of their own citizens, it's sort of their job like, and as pandemics have been recognised, formally, as the biggest potential threat to the UK, one would have thought the government would fare far better than they have done.

They havnt been triffic, (thankfully the UK population has been), but murderous scum was the point I was having an issue with.

 

[Walken]

No but they would be responsible for the safety and security of their own citizens, it's sort of their job like, and as pandemics have been recognised, formally, as the biggest potential threat to the UK, one would have thought the government would fare far better than they have done.

Also worth noting that we had a pandemic response plan and preparations that were apparently the envy of the world, this started to go downhill around 2010 and continued to decline in the last decade

 

[Tubey]

"A new study in California has found the number of people infected with coronavirus may be tens of times higher than previously thought.
The study from Stanford University, which was released Friday and has yet to be peer reviewed, tested samples from 3,330 people in Santa Clara county and found the virus was 50 to 85 times more common than official figures indicated.

At the time of the study, Santa Clara county had 1,094 confirmed cases of Covid-19, resulting in 50 deaths. But based on the rate of participants who have antibodies, the study estimates it is likely that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara county by early April.

That also means coronavirus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought. As of Tuesday, the US’s coronavirus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%."



The above would be interesting to see worldwide - im a big believer that COVID has already infected millions - still a long way off herd immunity but over the coming months I think this thing will have much less opportunity to infect people in groups than at the start of the year as more and more people have antibodies meaning hopefully less strain on the NHS.

If its that contagious that you cant go see your dying relatives then im highly dubious that this thing hasn't ravaged through large swathes of the population already considering the size of the UK and population density of large cities like London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool etc.

Nonsense that in my view. The figures in New York alone make that estimate nearly impossible, as it'd mean something like 80% of the population have it if you reconcile it with the death toll.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Ok. I get the globalisation bit. But in 2020, after decades of increasing globalisation, mainly for mutual benefits, answer me this.

If this had been developed or evolved here, in Portondown say, and exported round the globe, and the Chinese Government made a horlicks of their initial reaction to it, (cos they hadnt a clue about it), that would be their fault, right?

I'd suggest it would be possible that two things could be true:

1) China was deceptive in it's initial (and subsequent) communications of Covid-19 to the WHO.

2) The UK doesn't need to have confirmation from the WHO or briefings from the Communist Party of China to know what going on in China and what the impact might be. It can have failed to prepare despite ample warning.

 

[Zatara]

Ok. I get the globalisation bit. But in 2020, after decades of increasing globalisation, mainly for mutual benefits, answer me this.

If this had been developed or evolved here, in Portondown say, and exported round the globe, and the Chinese Government made a horlicks of their initial reaction to it, (cos they hadnt a clue about it), that would be their fault, right?

Where do labs come into this? You dont actuall buy the BS theory China created this as a bio weapon and saw it released do you? Now that WOULD be jumping the shark.

Exactly why we didn’t shoot straight into a lockdown. They can only be kept up so long.

No but they would be responsible for the safety and security of their own citizens, it's sort of their job like, and as pandemics have been recognised, formally, as the biggest potential threat to the UK, one would have thought the government would fare far better than they have done.

People were aware what was happening through the media...they could have chosen to stay inside.

The issue i think is that Governments believed China and WHO. The Tories were insane to go dowh the Huawei route on the 5G as well...i think they just wanted to believe the Chinese.

Massive class action lawsuit filed now in the US i read somewhere against China.

The WHO needs to be gutted of Chinese puppets.


As for the cause of the virus...what sounds more stupid;


A: A bio lab in wuhan which just happens to have been deemed a risk last year and where they test exotic animals and where the expert of bat diseases works.

B: Someone eating a bat in wuhan...which has been done since the beginning of time in China.

C: Outside of China


When the Chinese choose option C and then add 50% to the death rate...you know its something sinister....try multiplying that death rate 50 times then we'll be closer i imagine.

Isnt it a bit of a peculiar coincidence that this bio lab testing bats is at the central location of the outbreak?

All over china they eat bats...seems peculiar that it would be a market 15 mins from a bio lab.

 

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[Zatara]

I'd suggest it would be possible that two things could be true:

1) China was deceptive in it's initial (and subsequent) communications of Covid-19 to the WHO.

2) The UK doesn't need to have confirmation from the WHO or briefings from the Communist Party of China to know what going on in China and what the impact might be. It can have failed to prepare despite ample warning.

1: The WHO were there on the ground. Theyre in it together.

2: UK can do what it likes BUT i think every government has been at fault and until its over we wont know who has been the most successful.

For all we know UK Govt may have a high success rate...or it could be terrible.

Once its all over we'll be able to judge.

3: I reckon the UK didnt want to go against china due to the Huawei and other deals. They chose to believe...fatal error.

 

[roydo]

Kin true that.

 

[davek]

Not in the slightest.

Thats why I said developed or evolved. Song remains the same, if that happened here and we exported it to China, that would be their fault?

I think there's a fair dollop of Cold War thinking with this line of thiught on China...AND the very human trait of wanting to blame someone (anyone) for things that go wrong.

In realty, we had a very lackadaisical and embarrassed superpower not wanting to lose face.

My thing with China has been to acknowledge that (and their domestic failings) but to look how they reacted subsequently to the crisis.

 

[LinekersLegs]

"A new study in California has found the number of people infected with coronavirus may be tens of times higher than previously thought.
The study from Stanford University, which was released Friday and has yet to be peer reviewed, tested samples from 3,330 people in Santa Clara county and found the virus was 50 to 85 times more common than official figures indicated.

At the time of the study, Santa Clara county had 1,094 confirmed cases of Covid-19, resulting in 50 deaths. But based on the rate of participants who have antibodies, the study estimates it is likely that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara county by early April.

That also means coronavirus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought. As of Tuesday, the US’s coronavirus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%."



The above would be interesting to see worldwide - im a big believer that COVID has already infected millions - still a long way off herd immunity but over the coming months I think this thing will have much less opportunity to infect people in groups than at the start of the year as more and more people have antibodies meaning hopefully less strain on the NHS.

If its that contagious that you cant go see your dying relatives then im highly dubious that this thing hasn't ravaged through large swathes of the population already considering the size of the UK and population density of large cities like London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool etc.

The Santa Clara study is a really interesting one, I’m glad they have done it (not least cos I live very close to there!)

But it does have some definite flaws, summarized in this peer review, particularly that the recruitment was via Facebook ads which introduces a lot of bias to the sample. Hopefully they follow it up with a more randomized sample, especially one that is a more representative of our local population (this one got quite a lot of rich, white females iirc)

 

[Armchair Blue]

I think in this case liberal means "to slaughter your population".

No I don't think Libertarian

 

[roydo]

I think there's a fair dollop of Cold War thinking with this line of thiught on China...AND the very human trait of wanting to blame someone (anyone) for things that go wrong.

In realty, we had a very lackadaisical and embarrassed superpower not wanting to lose face.

My thing with China has been to acknowledge that (and their domestic failings) but to look how they reacted subsequently to the crisis.

Thats the route of our spat. Everyone has mucked up. All we can do as a planet is work as best we can to sort it out.

Keep safe mate. Xx

 

[Harryflashman]

Lob in Piers Morgan and a Daily Mail headline as a source, and I think we have some sort of shark jumped now.

even marr said this morning it was pretty shattering journalism even if he then basically skirted over it .

If true it seems fairly damning mate .