Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[jamieni]

Nonsense that in my view. The figures in New York alone make that estimate nearly impossible, as it'd mean something like 80% of the population have it if you reconcile it with the death toll.

They say about 5% (edit, that may be critical care rather than hospitalisation; if so, then this is an overestimate) of people who contract the virus need hospitalisation, so if you assume that is the case then there would be about 50k odd cases in NI based on the numbers of confirmed positive tests (I’m ignoring health care workers being tested for the purposes of this exercise).

That works out at about 2%-3% of the population which would correspond to the Chinese study.

Impossible to know for sure without widespread, accurate testing.

 

[Blues Harp]

Think Murdoch is losing patience with His Supreme Laziness (aka johnson) and is lining up The Supreme Liar aka Pob, aka Gove as a possible replacement....Oh dear.

 

[Jebus_lives]

1: The WHO were there on the ground. Theyre in it together.

2: UK can do what it likes BUT i think every government has been at fault and until its over we wont know who has been the most successful.

For all we know UK Govt may have a high success rate...or it could be terrible.

Once its all over we'll be able to judge.

3: I reckon the UK didnt want to go against china due to the Huawei and other deals. They chose to believe...fatal error.

On what specific thing do you think the Government were proactive or well prepared for:

Testing, testing, testing
Contact tracing
Ventilators
PPE
Support for frontline staff
Communication of clear messages

I know, I suspect a lot better than most, how hard scaling up or creating new services can be in the NHS and I also know how difficult managing any major incident, let alone something as devastating as a pandemic can be, but I've yet to see anything from the Government that hasn't looked reactive or pressured.

Now you might blame China and/or the WHO ( they make a good target: foreign Government and sprawling complex organisation) and they need to take their share of the blame, but much like preparations for Brexit, the Government have been left wanting and their failings are even more amplified now.

 

[COYBL25]

I think there's a fair dollop of Cold War thinking with this line of thiught on China...AND the very human trait of wanting to blame someone (anyone) for things that go wrong.

In realty, we had a very lackadaisical and embarrassed superpower not wanting to lose face.

My thing with China has been to acknowledge that (and their domestic failings) but to look how they reacted subsequently to the crisis.

And there lies the rub.

We only have their word on how they’ve dealt with it and let’s face it their not adverse to telling a few porkies along the way.

If some of the reports are believed to be true, “ the way they’ve dealt with it “ not only includes the suppression of the true facts, but also the imprisonment of anyone who dares to try and expose the truth from within.

For all the mistakes that have been made, I know which country I’d rather live in.

 

[Zatara]

They say about 5% (edit, that may be critical care rather than hospitalisation; if so, then this is an overestimate) of people who contract the virus need hospitalisation, so if you assume that is the case then there would be about 50k odd cases in NI based on the numbers of confirmed positive tests (I’m ignoring health care workers being tested for the purposes of this exercise).

That works out at about 2%-3% of the population which would correspond to the Chinese study.

Impossible to know for sure without widespread, accurate testing.

@Tubey Wasnt there a shocking news report that a huge % of young kids in NYC had the virus?

 

[Zatara]

I think there's a fair dollop of Cold War thinking with this line of thiught on China...AND the very human trait of wanting to blame someone (anyone) for things that go wrong.

In realty, we had a very lackadaisical and embarrassed superpower not wanting to lose face.

My thing with China has been to acknowledge that (and their domestic failings) but to look how they reacted subsequently to the crisis.

You have no idea how China reacted. They keep everything in house apart from when people leak info and are then murdered.

On what specific thing do you think the Government were proactive or well prepared for:

Testing, testing, testing
Contact tracing
Ventilators
PPE
Support for frontline staff
Communication of clear messages

I know, I suspect a lot better than most, how hard scaling up or creating new services can be in the NHS and I also know how difficult managing any major incident, let alone something as devastating as a pandemic can be, but I've yet to see anything from the Government that hasn't looked reactive or pressured.

Now you might blame China and/or the WHO ( they make a good target: foreign Government and sprawling complex organisation) and they need to take their share of the blame, but much like preparations for Brexit, the Government have been left wanting and their failings are even more amplified now.

Again, im not saying ANYONE has done a good or a bad job.

You cant qualify it as there has to be a comparison and assessment after this is over.

One thing is for sure though is that Taiwan went to WHO and told them about Corona and the WHO ignored them due to them being a chinese puppet.

Taiwan if im not wrong are banned from all sorts due to chinese puppeteering.

They were the only country to not believe Chinese lies.

I wonder why no ones spies obtained info and passed it through.

 

[jamieni]

@Tubey Wasnt there a shocking news report that a huge % of young kids in NYC had the virus?

The NI CMO was quoted as saying he believed there were “many thousands” of cases here in Mid March. Given how infectious this is, you never know.

 

[davek]

And there lies the rub.

We only have their word on how they’ve dealt with it and let’s face it their not adverse to telling a few porkies along the way.

If some of the reports are believed to be true, “ the way they’ve dealt with it “ not only includes the suppression of the true facts, but also the imprisonment of anyone who dares to try and expose the truth from within.

For all the mistakes that have been made, I know which country I’d rather live in.

If you're a citizen of the UK, that's a mighty big glass house you're throwing stones from.

 

[Zatara]

The NI CMO was quoted as saying he believed there were “many thousands” of cases here in Mid March. Given how infectious this is, you never know.

I went out for drinks in feb...fri night till mid afternoon the next day. Massive session.

Was sweating dizzy and feverish + could hardly eat till tues night.

Not sure if i had it or was just a major hangover

Unless bedridden and in agony how to know?

 

[COYBL25]

If you're a citizen of the UK, that's a mighty big glass house you're throwing stones from.

Simple question and you can only answer Yes or No.

If the ideology of the Chinese government was to the extreme right, rather than to the extreme left would you still defend them with equal vigour ?

 

[Jebus_lives]

You have no idea how China reacted. They keep everything in house apart from when people leak info and are then murdered.




Again, im not saying ANYONE has done a good or a bad job.

You cant qualify it as there has to be a comparison and assessment after this is over.

One thing is for sure though is that Taiwan went to WHO and told them about Corona and the WHO ignored them due to them being a chinese puppet.

Taiwan if im not wrong are banned from all sorts due to chinese puppeteering.

They were the only country to not believe Chinese lies.

I wonder why no ones spies obtained info and passed it through.

This isn't really accurate, bit I suppose it suits your point better to label things this way.

And you should most definitely make constant assessment on 'how things are going' because if people don't and as you suggest 'wait until it's all over then assess' you aren't doing things properly.

 

[Zatara]

This isn't really accurate, bit I suppose it suits your point better to label things this way.

And you should most definitely make constant assessment on 'how things are going' because if people don't and as you suggest 'wait until it's all over then assess' you aren't doing things properly.

So youre saying Taiwan never approached WHO ?

I mean its not hard to see which countries believed China and suffered and are now paying them hundreds of millions a week for medical supplies...

And those that didnt believe them and are relatively unscathed by comparison...for now.


Im saying YOU and the General Public have NO IDEA how things are going in relation to sucessful or unsuccessful measures.

Unless you have a super computer sent from the future which can compare everything using self learning A.I.

Its easy to blame but impossible to know what does and doesnt work.

For all we know there may be no way to stop 100% of the world being infected before a vaccine.

 

[paultheblue]

So the PPE from Turkey doesn't arrive today. These lot cant sort anything out.

No explanation of why it is not arriving, have they been gazumt ?
One minister said it will be tomorrow while another said another few days
The reality is they haven't got a clue and are looking more and more desperate .
It won't be long before nursing staff refuse to go near the patients without the PPE
And who could blame?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The Santa Clara study is a really interesting one, I’m glad they have done it (not least cos I live very close to there!)

But it does have some definite flaws, summarized in this peer review, particularly that the recruitment was via Facebook ads which introduces a lot of bias to the sample. Hopefully they follow it up with a more randomized sample, especially one that is a more representative of our local population (this one got quite a lot of rich, white females iirc)

Aye its impossible to know at this stage.

However a positive way to view things is that as each day goes by this thing has less and less available hosts to infect - at some point it'll run out of steam and numbers will drop.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I went out for drinks in feb...fri night till mid afternoon the next day. Massive session.

Was sweating dizzy and feverish + could hardly eat till tues night.

Not sure if i had it or was just a major hangover

Unless bedridden and in agony how to know?

Sounds like Coronavirus is the least of your worries if the night ended as I imagined it may have lol